kpmg.com in Mozilla

Undertoad · 12-04-2001, 01:23 PM

I have no patience for money-grubbing consulting fools.

http://www.cellar.org/kpmgsux

12-04-2001, 01:54 PM

...and this is what Tony does when he can't find anything better to do on a Tuesday afternoon.

KPMG has some offices near mine, in Tysons Corner, VA (actually, it's McLean, but the area we're in surrounds Tysons Corner Center, so the area is called Tyson's Corner). They kinda stand out. I've always wondered what it would be like to be a consultant. People paying me to talk to them. Nifty. I should do that.

Why is what you're doing considered actionable?

Undertoad · 12-04-2001, 02:00 PM

What I'm doing is in no way actionable, but go to kpmg.com and look for the hilarious "disclaimer".

Work for KPMG and get paid one-third of the money they charge customers for you to talk to them. Work for KPMG Consulting and talk to customers about things you don't know about whilst pretending furiously that you do. I lasted 5 months there, but my dignity, my honor, my patience and my sense of self-worth were all gone by the second month.

12-04-2001, 02:20 PM

Wow.

Well, if it makes you feel any better, I personally probably get paid about 1/8th the money my company charges for the work I do. But I also have a nice office and a shitload of benefits. No complaints here.

How long ago did you work there? What exactly do they do?

I noticed their disclaimer. Displaying the site. Heh. I wouldn't worry about it

Undertoad · 12-04-2001, 02:41 PM

I was a consultant. We were starting a new practice to scope out, configure, install, etc. mid-range Unix boxes. Only one of my seven "engagements" was directly related to the new practice; the other six were standard KPMG IT consulting. Which is now really kpmgconsulting.com, not kpmg.com. In theory. (In similar theory, Enron is a financially stable energy company.)

Out of seven gigs, in four cases I was asked to "add value" where I had no particular background in what they wanted. Three of the gigs went terribly, not as a result of my efforts but just because they were practically set up to fail. In one case I had to run out the previous night and buy the O'Reilly book to learn more about what I was supposed to be an expert on. (Sure, I pulled it off, but please!)

russotto · 12-04-2001, 03:23 PM

I saw on fuckedcompany.com that KPMG threatened someone for linking to them. Naturally, I have added a KPMG link (to their Forensics and Litigation page, appropriately enough) on my own page. Weasels.

lisa · 12-05-2001, 07:03 AM

KPMG has several offices in the SF Bay area and does a LOT of work there. In fact, I worked on a project out there where someone I knew had written a replacement for a KPMG program.

He wrote it in a weekend and it ran about 200 times (no kidding) faster than the one that I believe he said that KPMG supplied for a LOT of money.

Now, I don't know much about them -- never dealt with them directly -- but if what he said is true, after seeing how their code ran, the customer got scammed.

As for them charging 3x what the consultant got paid, that's a bit high, but companies do have a pretty serious markup on consulting services. After all, as someone pointed out above, there is some significant overhead. But, I do concur that 3x is a bit excessive.

MaggieL · 12-05-2001, 10:06 AM

What should we expect from an web design house called "Razorfish"? :-) Although the copyright date is quite a bit before the technically braindead but visually stunning movie.

Undertoad · 12-05-2001, 10:20 AM

Razorfish is a big celebrated web firm that's still, somehow, NASDAQ-listed, and is seen by some as terrible evidence of the dot-com hubris.

At the height of the bubble its stock was over 50. Now it's 0.25.

And KPMG hired them on the way down. I wonder how much they paid for this particular slice of crap!

12-04-2001, 01:23 PM	#1
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	kpmg.com in Mozilla I have no patience for money-grubbing consulting fools. http://www.cellar.org/kpmgsux

12-05-2001, 10:06 AM	#8
MaggieL in the Hour of Scampering Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Jeffersonville PA (15 mi NW of Philadelphia) Posts: 4,060	What should we expect from an web design house called "Razorfish"? :-) Although the copyright date is quite a bit before the technically braindead but visually stunning movie. __________________ "Neither can his Mind be thought to be in Tune,whose words do jarre; nor his reason In frame, whose sentence is preposterous..."

12-04-2001, 01:54 PM	#2
dave Guest Posts: n/a	...and this is what Tony does when he can't find anything better to do on a Tuesday afternoon. KPMG has some offices near mine, in Tysons Corner, VA (actually, it's McLean, but the area we're in surrounds Tysons Corner Center, so the area is called Tyson's Corner). They kinda stand out. I've always wondered what it would be like to be a consultant. People paying me to talk to them. Nifty. I should do that. Why is what you're doing considered actionable?

12-04-2001, 02:00 PM	#3
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	What I'm doing is in no way actionable, but go to kpmg.com and look for the hilarious "disclaimer". Work for KPMG and get paid one-third of the money they charge customers for you to talk to them. Work for KPMG Consulting and talk to customers about things you don't know about whilst pretending furiously that you do. I lasted 5 months there, but my dignity, my honor, my patience and my sense of self-worth were all gone by the second month.

12-04-2001, 02:20 PM	#4
dave Guest Posts: n/a	Wow. Well, if it makes you feel any better, I personally probably get paid about 1/8th the money my company charges for the work I do. But I also have a nice office and a shitload of benefits. No complaints here. How long ago did you work there? What exactly do they do? I noticed their disclaimer. Displaying the site. Heh. I wouldn't worry about it

12-04-2001, 02:41 PM	#5
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	I was a consultant. We were starting a new practice to scope out, configure, install, etc. mid-range Unix boxes. Only one of my seven "engagements" was directly related to the new practice; the other six were standard KPMG IT consulting. Which is now really kpmgconsulting.com, not kpmg.com. In theory. (In similar theory, Enron is a financially stable energy company.) Out of seven gigs, in four cases I was asked to "add value" where I had no particular background in what they wanted. Three of the gigs went terribly, not as a result of my efforts but just because they were practically set up to fail. In one case I had to run out the previous night and buy the O'Reilly book to learn more about what I was supposed to be an expert on. (Sure, I pulled it off, but please!)

12-04-2001, 03:23 PM	#6
russotto Professor Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 1,788	I saw on fuckedcompany.com that KPMG threatened someone for linking to them. Naturally, I have added a KPMG link (to their Forensics and Litigation page, appropriately enough) on my own page. Weasels.

12-05-2001, 07:03 AM	#7
lisa Etherial Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: CA Posts: 153	KPMG has several offices in the SF Bay area and does a LOT of work there. In fact, I worked on a project out there where someone I knew had written a replacement for a KPMG program. He wrote it in a weekend and it ran about 200 times (no kidding) faster than the one that I believe he said that KPMG supplied for a LOT of money. Now, I don't know much about them -- never dealt with them directly -- but if what he said is true, after seeing how their code ran, the customer got scammed. As for them charging 3x what the consultant got paid, that's a bit high, but companies do have a pretty serious markup on consulting services. After all, as someone pointed out above, there is some significant overhead. But, I do concur that 3x is a bit excessive.

12-05-2001, 10:20 AM	#9
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	Razorfish is a big celebrated web firm that's still, somehow, NASDAQ-listed, and is seen by some as terrible evidence of the dot-com hubris. At the height of the bubble its stock was over 50. Now it's 0.25. And KPMG hired them on the way down. I wonder how much they paid for this particular slice of crap!

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