Sept. 11 Families Disgusted by Bush Campaign Ads

ladysycamore · 03-04-2004, 03:28 PM

Sept. 11 Families Disgusted by Bush Campaign Ads

richlevy · 03-04-2004, 09:41 PM

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One of the ads shows the charred wreckage of the twin towers with an American flag flying amid the debris. Another ad — and a Spanish-language version of it — use that image as well as firefighters carrying a flag-draped stretcher through the rubble as sirens are heard. Firefighters are shown in all the ads.

So does this mean we Democrats can begin showing flag-draped coffins being unloaded at Dover, or the Vietnam VeteransMemorial, or just the pictures of the 500+ servicemen and women killed in Iraq?

I can't believe the Bush campaign went there. Especially the flag-draped stretcher.

jaguar · 03-05-2004, 01:59 AM

That's some cheap shit. I hope they get fucked at the polls for that one. Not that I didn't hope they get fucked at the polls anyway. Not that kerry is much better.

russotto · 03-05-2004, 12:43 PM

The Kerry campaign is only disgusted they they didn't think of it first. There is no shame in political campaigning.

As for me, I'm staying home, and I think that's the principled stand this time around. One guy who pushed for the PATRIOT act and other violations of civil liberties, and another guy who voted for the damned thing. Forget it.

Slartibartfast · 03-05-2004, 12:54 PM

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Originally posted by russotto

As for me, I'm staying home, and I think that's the principled stand this time around. One guy who pushed for the PATRIOT act and other violations of civil liberties, and another guy who voted for the damned thing. Forget it.

A non-vote doesn't send a strong enough message. Vote for an independant or third part candidate that doesn't stand a chance to make it in. This two party system is fucked, we need new input.

warch · 03-05-2004, 01:15 PM

A nonvote or third party vote is a vote for the originator of the Patriot act.

russotto · 03-05-2004, 01:37 PM

I believe a non-vote is marginally better than a third party vote. Third party votes are ignored and often the totals of the other candidates are rounded up to hide the minor parties. But not voting reduces the voter turnout number, which does get reported.

And warch: no, a non-vote is NOT a vote for the originator of the PATRIOT act, whoever that might be. It's simply not a vote.

Note that it's not really clear who originated the PATRIOT act anyway. The act is really a laundry list of law-enforcement wet dreams that they've been trying to get passed for years but the time wasn't right. What is clear is that BOTH major candidates support it.

warch · 03-05-2004, 03:05 PM

Bipartisan yeah, I remember the turnaround, but clearly introduced and quickly, aggressively pushed by the republican administration. (There is a sunset provision I'm hoping to cash in on.)
I'm not getting a perfect candidate. Seems the choice will be Kerry or Bush. I'm going with the lesser evil, in my mind, Kerry.

Why not write in for Russ Feingold?
I think refusing to show up is an easier out, not a strong strategy for change. But maybe youre right.

I was reading a piece by Sarah Vowell, where she sites a scene from the Breakfast Club:

Jock: Why do YOU have a fake id?
Geek: to vote.

I gotta vote.

Griff · 03-05-2004, 03:10 PM

When I look at the foreign policy positions of both candidates, I weigh them against 9-11 as instructed by Bush Co. Both of these clowns support interventionionism THE root cause of 9-11. Don't feed me any of that innocent America crap tonight...I'm in no mood.

jaguar · 03-05-2004, 03:17 PM

Give them jobs, cars and condos and they'll stop bombing you. It's fairly straight forward.

russotto · 03-05-2004, 04:11 PM

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Originally posted by jaguar
Give them jobs, cars and condos and they'll stop bombing you. It's fairly straight forward.

ROTFL. Give them jobs, cars, and condos and they'll use the condo as a base to build car bombs using materials stolen from their employers.

Appeasement never worked before and won't work now. And it's NOT all America's (or even the First World's) fault.

jaguar · 03-05-2004, 04:22 PM

I don't see much evidence of happy, wealthy individuals anywhere engaging in life endangering acts of terrorism on a major scale. I do see a long history of repressed impoverished people turning towards extremist causes that give them something to blame for their misfortune.

If Germany was not an impoverished mess after WW1 and the treaty do you think Hitler would have rose to power? Do you think the current neo-nazi revival in Russia has nothing to do with economic conditions?

xoxoxoBruce · 03-05-2004, 05:28 PM

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I don't see much evidence of happy, wealthy individuals anywhere engaging in life endangering acts of terrorism on a major scale.

But I think we have seen them financing some extremist groups on a major scale. Of course it could have been blackmail/extortion.

I'm with warch, vote. Write in Saddam if you must, but let them know you were there and didn't buy their line of shit. While your at it, write them a letter and tell them so.

russotto · 03-05-2004, 09:53 PM

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Originally posted by jaguar
I don't see much evidence of happy, wealthy individuals anywhere engaging in life endangering acts of terrorism on a major scale.

There is none so blind as he who will not see. Neither Osama bin Laden nor the September 11th hijackers themselves were poor slobs in a mud hovel somewhere.

No, they weren't happy individuals. I hope Osama's even less happy now. But poverty wasn't what made them unhappy.

slang · 03-06-2004, 01:51 AM

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Originally posted by xoxoxoBruce
I'm with warch, vote. Write in Saddam if you must, but let them know you were there and didn't buy their line of shit. While your at it, write them a letter and tell them so.

Those of you that know me know that I support Bush, however, Bruce and Warch seem to have the most effective suggestion IMO.

Senator Santorum doesnt know me personally but his staff does know I vote and....... I write original letters* to his office, not some bs form letter.

* - That's why there is always a white cube van parked at various different locations on my walking route to work and around my apartment.

03-04-2004, 03:28 PM	#1
ladysycamore "I may not always be perfect, but I'm always me." Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: In Sycamore's boxers Posts: 1,341	Sept. 11 Families Disgusted by Bush Campaign Ads Sept. 11 Families Disgusted by Bush Campaign Ads __________________ "Freedom is not given. It is our right at birth. But there are some moments when it must be taken." ~Tagline from the movie "Amistad"~ "The Akan concept of Sankofa: In order to move forward we first have to take a step back. In other words, before we can be prepared for the future, we must comprehend the past." From "We Did It, They Hid It"

03-05-2004, 01:59 AM	#3
jaguar whig Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 5,075	That's some cheap shit. I hope they get fucked at the polls for that one. Not that I didn't hope they get fucked at the polls anyway. Not that kerry is much better. __________________ Good friends, good books and a sleepy conscience: this is the ideal life. - Twain

03-05-2004, 03:10 PM	#9
Griff still says videotape Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 26,813	When I look at the foreign policy positions of both candidates, I weigh them against 9-11 as instructed by Bush Co. Both of these clowns support interventionionism THE root cause of 9-11. Don't feed me any of that innocent America crap tonight...I'm in no mood. __________________ If you would only recognize that life is hard, things would be so much easier for you. - Louis D. Brandeis

03-05-2004, 03:17 PM	#10
jaguar whig Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 5,075	Give them jobs, cars and condos and they'll stop bombing you. It's fairly straight forward. __________________ Good friends, good books and a sleepy conscience: this is the ideal life. - Twain

03-05-2004, 04:22 PM	#12
jaguar whig Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 5,075	I don't see much evidence of happy, wealthy individuals anywhere engaging in life endangering acts of terrorism on a major scale. I do see a long history of repressed impoverished people turning towards extremist causes that give them something to blame for their misfortune. If Germany was not an impoverished mess after WW1 and the treaty do you think Hitler would have rose to power? Do you think the current neo-nazi revival in Russia has nothing to do with economic conditions? __________________ Good friends, good books and a sleepy conscience: this is the ideal life. - Twain

03-05-2004, 12:43 PM	#4
russotto Professor Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 1,788	The Kerry campaign is only disgusted they they didn't think of it first. There is no shame in political campaigning. As for me, I'm staying home, and I think that's the principled stand this time around. One guy who pushed for the PATRIOT act and other violations of civil liberties, and another guy who voted for the damned thing. Forget it.

03-05-2004, 01:15 PM	#6
warch lurkin old school Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Minnesota Posts: 2,796	A nonvote or third party vote is a vote for the originator of the Patriot act.

03-05-2004, 01:37 PM	#7
russotto Professor Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 1,788	I believe a non-vote is marginally better than a third party vote. Third party votes are ignored and often the totals of the other candidates are rounded up to hide the minor parties. But not voting reduces the voter turnout number, which does get reported. And warch: no, a non-vote is NOT a vote for the originator of the PATRIOT act, whoever that might be. It's simply not a vote. Note that it's not really clear who originated the PATRIOT act anyway. The act is really a laundry list of law-enforcement wet dreams that they've been trying to get passed for years but the time wasn't right. What is clear is that BOTH major candidates support it.

03-05-2004, 03:05 PM	#8
warch lurkin old school Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Minnesota Posts: 2,796	Bipartisan yeah, I remember the turnaround, but clearly introduced and quickly, aggressively pushed by the republican administration. (There is a sunset provision I'm hoping to cash in on.) I'm not getting a perfect candidate. Seems the choice will be Kerry or Bush. I'm going with the lesser evil, in my mind, Kerry. Why not write in for Russ Feingold? I think refusing to show up is an easier out, not a strong strategy for change. But maybe youre right. I was reading a piece by Sarah Vowell, where she sites a scene from the Breakfast Club: Jock: Why do YOU have a fake id? Geek: to vote. I gotta vote.

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