Is Kerry really electable?

[Griff]

Does it matter?

I think the Dems really goofed here. They got behind Kerry because they think he'll pull war hero votes. Thing is post 9-11 voters don't care about Bushes dubious fly boy record. They want dead Arabs because we'll be safer after we scare people who cut up their own children's heads. Guess what, we can't scare these people.

The Dems had the opportunity to disavow the whole Iraq mess with Dean. Kerry is Bush-lite. The DLC endorses virtually the same policies as the PNAC. A vote for Kerry win or lose does not matter. If he wins, we'll get the same policies delivered in a less offensive manner.

[SteveDallas]

Ralph? Hey, great to see you again Ralph. You haven't even started, and you're pulling a 6 already!

[Happy Monkey]

I'll agree that Kerry wasn't a great choice out of the primary, but even so, Bush-lite is better than Bush-heavy. And Kerry won't have Ashcroft, Cheney, Rove, Perle, Rumsfeld, etc.

[Torrere]

I've been having the same questions.

Why are people voting for Kerry? As far as I can figure out, he didn't have momentum until an opinion poll stated that he could beat Bush by a thin margin.. then he just started winning primaries.

[jaguar]

And Kerry won't have Ashcroft, Cheney, Rove, Perle, Rumsfeld, etc.

I call bullshit. Half those fuckers have been around since Eisenhower, they just move around, up and down and sideways. The only way to get rid on them is public execution. *waits for the nice men in black suits to arrive*

[Happy Monkey]

While your method is more permanent, Clinton didn't have them in positions of power, and neither would Kerry. And if not for Bush, Ashcroft would have ended his political career in disgrace (lost an election to a dead guy).

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally posted by Happy Monkey
While your method is more permanent, Clinton didn't have them in positions of power, and neither would Kerry. And if not for Bush, Ashcroft would have ended his political career in disgrace (lost an election to a dead guy).

Because of Bush, Ashcroft is ending hiscareer in disgrace.

[richlevy]

Originally posted by Griff
Does it matter?

I think the Dems really goofed here. They got behind Kerry because they think he'll pull war hero votes. Thing is post 9-11 voters don't care about Bushes dubious fly boy record. They want dead Arabs because we'll be safer after we scare people who cut up their own children's heads. Guess what, we can't scare these people.

The Dems had the opportunity to disavow the whole Iraq mess with Dean. Kerry is Bush-lite. The DLC endorses virtually the same policies as the PNAC. A vote for Kerry win or lose does not matter. If he wins, we'll get the same policies delivered in a less offensive manner.

I will agree that electing Kerry will not mean an immediate end to the war in Iraq, or an immediate end to outsourcing. What it should mean is a better stance on the environment. Also, it should mean better relations with any other country in the world because Bush's foreign policy is a mess. There may be a few 'evil' countries in the world which it is acceptable to deal with through intimidation, but the other 100+ are allies or neutral countries who we have alienated.

The Bush administration will never back off from a mistake. Judging from their handling of the 9/11 campaign ad, they are fundamentally opposed to ever admitting they were wrong. We need someone, especially someone from an opposition party, who can come in and say 'OK, this was f**d up, lets fix it'.

Kerry and Bush both went to Yale, they both come from political families. They both belonged to the same secret society (Skull and Bones).

However, he was privileged and could have ducked actual in-country service Vietnam the way Bush and Clinton did. Instead he decided to follow in JFK's footsteps (JFK is also Kerrys initials) and volunteered for swift boats, which resemble the PT boats Kennedy served on.

GW Bush wanted to follow in his daddy's footsteps. Kerry wants to follow in Kennedy's.

Bush screwed up and can't seem to get his point across. Kerry got 3 medals and from the very start was able to master the dual art of assessing a situation and getting it to fit into a sound bite. His "How do you ask a man to be the last man to die for a mistake?" statement is something that Bush will never be able to comprehend.

I don't like the idea of Kerry as much as I liked the idea of Dean, since Kerry is an insider. Unfortunately, the prettiest flowers aren't necessarily the ones that survive.

After Kerry's first term, if the Republicans can finally pick an intelligent moderate candidate, or some interesting independent, Green, or Libertarian candidate comes forward, I might consider not voting Democratic.


Kerry's 1971 Testimony before Congress

[elSicomoro]

While still surprised at the amazing rise of Kerry, and while some of his stances and Senate stuff concern me, I have to go with the least of the evils. Therefore, I am more than happy to vote for John Kerry in April and November.

[Undertoad]

I'll be voting for Bush in April.

[SteveDallas]

Hahahaha... is anybody else on the ballot? And when did you register as a Republican?

[warch]

I was pulling for Howard, but I'll cast one more for Kerry.

[Happy Monkey]

Bush and April deserve each other.

OK, I just couldn't resist. I actually never had much of a problem with April, so I wouldn't wish Bush on her.

[Troubleshooter]

I was resolved to Bush until he tried to fly that marriage amendment nonsense. Yes I know Bush sucked, but I'm uncomfortable changing captains in the middle of a race, so to speak. But I'll agree that Kerry is Bush light so it more like letting the asst. coach take over than changing captains entirely.

[blue]

Guess what, we can't scare these people.

Oh bullshit, that sounds like something Gore would say then sit back, do nothing, and hope for the best.

I for one do want to see dead Arabs, we know who our enemies are. I have a lot of problems with Bush myself, but at least he has the balls to go after them.

You know you can't truly defend against terrorism, I really believe the ONLY option is to go after them first. And for the ones you don't kill, at least instead of having all the time, mney & freedom in the world to plot their shit, hopefully they spend their days just trying to survive.

I don't mean any offense to democrats, muslims, Arabs or any of you here personally, but I don't think we can afford to be wishy washy with these fuckers.