fertility issues

lumberjim · 12-03-2003, 02:39 PM

I have a friend who is trying to get preg. They already have a 2 or 3 yr old, and have been trying to repeat for months with no success. So they're going to see a fertility specialist. I am pretty sure that i don't approve of this. and those slobs with the sextuplets make me want to hurl.......what do we think about this?

FileNotFound · 12-03-2003, 02:53 PM

I think it's alright..

Generaly the cases of people having 50000 kids was due to the birth control pills not due to fertility specialisits.

lumberjim · 12-03-2003, 02:57 PM

what? how do birth CONTROL pills contribute to multi's? I'm pretty sure that it is a result of mass in vitro fertilization. I think that if your bodies won't produce offspring together through conventional means, then you should accept it and adopt.

Dagney · 12-03-2003, 03:15 PM

Actually, If I remember correctly, those large multiple pregnancies were not due to IVF, but due to fertility medications which caused the release of multiple eggs, all of which were fertilized.

Dagney

FileNotFound · 12-03-2003, 03:19 PM

What Dagney said...

But wasn't it also in part due to the women being previously on birth control and them suddenly stopping to take it at least being part of the release?

I maybe totaly wrong, the issue was never of much importance to me.

Dagney · 12-03-2003, 03:23 PM

That can be 'part' of the problem, but the megatuplets are generally caused by fertility meds. Twins and Triplets are often attributed to stopping the Birth Control Pill which in turn turns off the ovaries. Gives em a jump start - so to speak.

Damn hormones, crazy things I'll tell ya.

SteveDallas · 12-03-2003, 03:48 PM

It depends. They can choose what they want to do. In our case, our oldest was born when my wife was 39. 2 1/12 years later we were trying for a second and it wasn't happening. Mrs. Dallas' ob-gyn advised that at her age, we should go ahead and see a fertility specialist if she was not pregnant after 6 months of effort. We decided beforehand that we would not attempt IVF or any other heroic measures. After some tests & stuff & more unsuccessful attempts, the specialist suggested that at least some of the factors we were dealing with would be addressed well by artificial insemination. So we did it, and it was successful. As I recall she did take some fertility drugs to ensure ovulation on cue, but we were never in danger of having nontuplets. (I think we were slightly more likely to have twins.)

So don't automatically assume your friends have gone off the deep end.

By the way, I may regret starting this, but I have no patience for people who say that septuplets are "God's will" after they've gone through fertility treatments to address the fact that they couldn't have a baby--which circumstance was also, presumably, God's will.

ladysycamore · 12-03-2003, 04:29 PM

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Originally posted by lumberjim
I have a friend who is trying to get preg. They already have a 2 or 3 yr old, and have been trying to repeat for months with no success. So they're going to see a fertility specialist. I am pretty sure that i don't approve of this. and those slobs with the sextuplets make me want to hurl.......what do we think about this?

As long as they can afford a possible multiple pregnancy and not ask for outside help. Sorry, but if you need to put out the call to help raise kids, then maybe it wasn't such a good idea to have them in the first place.

juju · 12-03-2003, 04:46 PM

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Originally posted by lumberjim
I have a friend who is trying to get preg. They already have a 2 or 3 yr old, and have been trying to repeat for months with no success. So they're going to see a fertility specialist. I am pretty sure that i don't approve of this. and those slobs with the sextuplets make me want to hurl.......what do we think about this?

So, why are you against it?

hot_pastrami · 12-03-2003, 05:50 PM

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Originally posted by lumberjim
I think that if your bodies won't produce offspring together through conventional means, then you should accept it and adopt.

So... would you also say that if your body won't produce the antibodies to cure a deadly disease, you should accept it and die? As opposed to using safe, established medical processes to solve the problem?

I don't mean for that to sound snide, I'm just trying to understand the logic of your comment... it isn't compatible with my brain. If technology isn't going to solve problems to make our lives better, then what's the point?

juju · 12-03-2003, 06:32 PM

I suspect another "it's not natural" argument. Which, of course, I equate to mean, "I think anything coming from humans is evil and corrupted, even though Biology 101 says that humans are a part of nature."

But I sincerly apologize if that's not what you mean. :)

xoxoxoBruce · 12-03-2003, 06:44 PM

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Originally posted by lumberjim
....what do we think about this?

Ain't nobodies business but their own.

lumberjim · 12-03-2003, 07:13 PM

Yeah, buce it's THEIR business, and I would never presume to judge them or tell them about how I feel about such a sensitive issue. And Juju, it IS basically an "it's not natural " line of thinking. Sorry if you've heard this before, and if this is a tired argument, I'll gladly read old threads and not run you through it again. But, I was a little vague in my initial post on purpose. My opinion is based mainly on gut feel, and I don't have lots of info or fact to support it. That's why I ask how "we" feel. I think there is something to be said for the philosophy of " if it feels right, do it"......so why SHOULD I be OK with it. If i'm accurately interpreting your tone to mean that you would defend it?

OnyxCougar · 12-03-2003, 07:26 PM

Well, when I think of artificial fertilization, I tend to be against it, not because of any religious reason, but (1) financial reasons. Fertility treatments CAN cause (not always causes) multi births, and I know how expensive raising three can be, at 5 years apart, let alone 3-5 babies all at once... Phenomenal... and (2) There are SO many children waiting to be adopted, if a couple can't have one naturally, I think they should adopt rather than undergo expensive, intrusive treatments with possibly complicated pregnancies.

Scopulus Argentarius · 12-03-2003, 07:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by lumberjim
I have a friend who is trying to get preg. They already have a 2 or 3 yr old, and have been trying to repeat for months with no success. So they're going to see a fertility specialist. I am pretty sure that i don't approve of this. and those slobs with the sextuplets make me want to hurl.......what do we think about this?

I suspect, your friend will waste money at the fertility clinic. Have her peruse Dr.Mirkin's website about common causes of infertility.

Polycystic Ovary Syndrome is one such cause, that is really common and easily tratable with anti-biotics.
These links may be of some help....

http://drmirkin.com/archive/6958.html
http://drmirkin.com/women/w128.htm
http://drmirkin.com/women/8124.htm http://drmirkin.com/women/8836.html

12-03-2003, 02:39 PM	#1
lumberjim I can hear my ears Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 25,571	fertility issues I have a friend who is trying to get preg. They already have a 2 or 3 yr old, and have been trying to repeat for months with no success. So they're going to see a fertility specialist. I am pretty sure that i don't approve of this. and those slobs with the sextuplets make me want to hurl.......what do we think about this? __________________ This body holding me reminds me of my own mortality Embrace this moment, remember We are eternal, all this pain is an illusion ~MJKeenan

12-03-2003, 02:53 PM	#2
FileNotFound Intouch with his inner sheep rider. Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 603	I think it's alright.. Generaly the cases of people having 50000 kids was due to the birth control pills not due to fertility specialisits. __________________ This is a rat. \|This is a hamster.\| This is a chipmunk.\| This is a Sheep Rider.

12-03-2003, 02:57 PM	#3
lumberjim I can hear my ears Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 25,571	what? how do birth CONTROL pills contribute to multi's? I'm pretty sure that it is a result of mass in vitro fertilization. I think that if your bodies won't produce offspring together through conventional means, then you should accept it and adopt. __________________ This body holding me reminds me of my own mortality Embrace this moment, remember We are eternal, all this pain is an illusion ~MJKeenan

12-03-2003, 03:15 PM	#4
Dagney The Prodigal Brat Returneth Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: North Cackalacky Posts: 1,107	Actually, If I remember correctly, those large multiple pregnancies were not due to IVF, but due to fertility medications which caused the release of multiple eggs, all of which were fertilized. Dagney __________________ The Constitution gives every American the right to make a total fool out of himself. But that doesn't mean you need to.

12-03-2003, 03:19 PM	#5
FileNotFound Intouch with his inner sheep rider. Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 603	What Dagney said... But wasn't it also in part due to the women being previously on birth control and them suddenly stopping to take it at least being part of the release? I maybe totaly wrong, the issue was never of much importance to me. __________________ This is a rat. \|This is a hamster.\| This is a chipmunk.\| This is a Sheep Rider.

12-03-2003, 03:23 PM	#6
Dagney The Prodigal Brat Returneth Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: North Cackalacky Posts: 1,107	That can be 'part' of the problem, but the megatuplets are generally caused by fertility meds. Twins and Triplets are often attributed to stopping the Birth Control Pill which in turn turns off the ovaries. Gives em a jump start - so to speak. Damn hormones, crazy things I'll tell ya. __________________ The Constitution gives every American the right to make a total fool out of himself. But that doesn't mean you need to.

12-03-2003, 03:48 PM	#7
SteveDallas Your Bartender Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Philly Burbs, PA Posts: 7,651	It depends. They can choose what they want to do. In our case, our oldest was born when my wife was 39. 2 1/12 years later we were trying for a second and it wasn't happening. Mrs. Dallas' ob-gyn advised that at her age, we should go ahead and see a fertility specialist if she was not pregnant after 6 months of effort. We decided beforehand that we would not attempt IVF or any other heroic measures. After some tests & stuff & more unsuccessful attempts, the specialist suggested that at least some of the factors we were dealing with would be addressed well by artificial insemination. So we did it, and it was successful. As I recall she did take some fertility drugs to ensure ovulation on cue, but we were never in danger of having nontuplets. (I think we were slightly more likely to have twins.) So don't automatically assume your friends have gone off the deep end. By the way, I may regret starting this, but I have no patience for people who say that septuplets are "God's will" after they've gone through fertility treatments to address the fact that they couldn't have a baby--which circumstance was also, presumably, God's will.

12-03-2003, 06:32 PM	#11
juju no one of consequence Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Arkansas Posts: 2,839	I suspect another "it's not natural" argument. Which, of course, I equate to mean, "I think anything coming from humans is evil and corrupted, even though Biology 101 says that humans are a part of nature." But I sincerly apologize if that's not what you mean. :)

12-03-2003, 07:13 PM	#13
lumberjim I can hear my ears Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 25,571	Yeah, buce it's THEIR business, and I would never presume to judge them or tell them about how I feel about such a sensitive issue. And Juju, it IS basically an "it's not natural " line of thinking. Sorry if you've heard this before, and if this is a tired argument, I'll gladly read old threads and not run you through it again. But, I was a little vague in my initial post on purpose. My opinion is based mainly on gut feel, and I don't have lots of info or fact to support it. That's why I ask how "we" feel. I think there is something to be said for the philosophy of " if it feels right, do it"......so why SHOULD I be OK with it. If i'm accurately interpreting your tone to mean that you would defend it? __________________ This body holding me reminds me of my own mortality Embrace this moment, remember We are eternal, all this pain is an illusion ~MJKeenan

12-03-2003, 07:26 PM	#14
OnyxCougar Junior Master Dwellar Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Kingdom of Atlantia Posts: 2,979	Well, when I think of artificial fertilization, I tend to be against it, not because of any religious reason, but (1) financial reasons. Fertility treatments CAN cause (not always causes) multi births, and I know how expensive raising three can be, at 5 years apart, let alone 3-5 babies all at once... Phenomenal... and (2) There are SO many children waiting to be adopted, if a couple can't have one naturally, I think they should adopt rather than undergo expensive, intrusive treatments with possibly complicated pregnancies.

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