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02-16-2012, 04:53 PM | #1 | |
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Recovery?
Obama budget sees recovery gaining speed
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02-16-2012, 04:56 PM | #2 |
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Well they have to make it look as good as they can get away with or no one will vote for them will they?
Seriously, what do you expect? Worst case scenario in an election year? I don't think so.
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Congressional Budget Office Predicts Gloomy US Economy
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02-16-2012, 05:03 PM | #4 |
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It depends what you call recovery classic, and it depends on your perspective.
I see the cost of things going up and up, which implies economic growth, but I don't see wages going up equally. In fact, that hasn't been happening here for over a decade, maybe more. The housing market is a complete blowout and interest rates are still going up. No, I don't see recovery really. I see a country treading water and doing a pretty good job of it, but people are still doing it pretty tough mostly.
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You want projections assuming current laws? Quote:
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02-16-2012, 05:18 PM | #6 |
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HM, I appreciate your input. I'm more interested in what people are actually seeing.
Hopefully those in the real world. You and Glatt, you're in DC, that's a different world. No offense intended.
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02-16-2012, 05:24 PM | #7 |
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I was just taking exception to the article's bizarre implication that the projections for Obama's budget should assume that it doesn't take effect.
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02-16-2012, 07:49 PM | #8 |
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The real story of how they are cooking the books....
http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/...aningless.html
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02-16-2012, 08:01 PM | #10 |
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Illegal? Really? It points out the fact that the recovery is not what Obama wants you to believe it is. It is foot noted and linked. Where is the problem?
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02-16-2012, 08:57 PM | #11 |
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MSNBC regularly - VERY regularly - talks about how the unemployment numbers hide the true rate because it only counts - and has historically only counted - those SEEKING employment. That's what labor force means. You can't measure a "desire" to be employed the way you can measure those TRYING to work. When Steve Liesman says "The workforce declined by 315 thousand and that makes it easier to get to the lower unemployment rate," Obama didn't "decide" to not count the 435,000 people who have given up looking for work - they GAVE UP LOOKING. Maybe you can argue that Obama CAUSED them to give up, but the DEFINITION of U3 unemployment hasn't changed. Bush, Clinton, Bush Sr... I don't know when we started measuring unemployment using this system, but U3 has meant the same thing. If you can show me that the U3 numbers used by Bush DIDN'T discount people who took themselves out of the labor force (as the article you linked to ADMITS: "And when it becomes "good news" to an administration that 315 thousand fewer adults even consider themselves in the workforce anymore..."), you might have a case, Merc.
I agree that the statistic is misleading, but it's just as misleading as ever as it was. And caps don't mean I'm yelling, they mean I'm too lazy to use italics or anything.
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02-16-2012, 09:05 PM | #12 |
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Oh I have a case. A huge one. It is an election season. Obama owns the failure of the last three years and every bit of the failed economy.... The time of blaming Bush is long past.
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02-16-2012, 09:14 PM | #13 |
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Merc, I just don't get how you can blame one man for the state the US is in. Particularly since he inherited the problem.
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02-16-2012, 09:20 PM | #14 |
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He inherited a small portion of the issue, at the beginning. I don't blame him, I blame him and the Congress. More so the Congress, but he was rubber stamping the overly reckless spending of Pelosi and Reid. The Republickins play a part as well. But Obama has done just what everyone thought he would, spend without a plan to pay for it, just as I stated over and over when he was bringing his BS to the table and shoving it down the throats of the American taxpayer. He owns it and where ever we go from here.
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02-16-2012, 09:26 PM | #15 |
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If the reps were in, how do you think they would have done things differently?
eta: I ask this simply because most western nations did more or less the same thing as obama and his administration to lesser or greater success. It seems to have helped somewhat here in Australia although if there hadn't been a stimulus plan, perhaps the results would have been similar. It's very hard to know because it's one of those things where there's really no control group.
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