The Truth About John McCain's Heroism

Radar · 09-07-2008, 12:24 AM

Radar · 09-07-2008, 12:27 AM

Radar · 09-07-2008, 12:38 AM

xoxoxoBruce · 09-07-2008, 01:20 AM

The Dems got swiftboaters too.

Radar · 09-07-2008, 01:30 AM

Not really. The swiftboaters were lying. These people aren't.

classicman · 09-07-2008, 08:36 PM

Of course they aren't lying - they agree with you.

smoothmoniker · 09-07-2008, 09:54 PM

This is a sad old man on a crusade of misinformation. These charges have been raised before, and laid to rest.

Radar · 09-07-2008, 10:27 PM

Wrong. They have not been laid to rest. They have been proven to be factual.

This document is a transcript of a Hanoi correspondent broadcast to Cuba quoting newly captured POW John McCain detailing U.S. military information about U.S. bombing operations over North Vietnam. The broadcast was transmitted in English on November 09, 1967 and intercepted by U.S. intelligence

McCain Interview - Cuba Radio Broadcast - November 9, 1967

This document is a transcript of a North Vietnamese news service article, translated from French to English. "Nhan Dan today published answers to questions by one of its correspondents made by a U.S. air pirate detained in North Vietnam. "He is Lt. John Sidney McCain . . ." Hanoi VNA International Service in French - November 9, 1967

McCain Interview - Nhan Dan News Service - November 9, 1967

This document is a transcript of an "exclusive" interview of newly captured POW John McCain by "prominent" French television reporter Francois Chalais - January 1968, The interview was broadcast in French to Europe.

McCain Interview - Francois Chalais - January 1968

Transcript of John McCain's June 2, 1969 radio broadcast beamed into South Vietnam in response to Defense Secretary Melvin S. Laird, May 19, plea that North Vietnam treat U.S. prisoners according to the humanitarian standards set forth by the Geneva Convention.

McCain Interview - Radio Broadcast South Vietnam - June 2, 1969

This document is a transcript of an "exclusive" interview of POW John McCain by Spanish psychiatrist Dr. Fernando Barral. The meeting between Barral and POW McCain took away from the POW camp in an office of the Committee for Foreign Cultural Relations in Hanoi. The interview was published January 24, 1970 in Havana, Cuba.

McCain Interview - Dr. Fernando Barral - January 24, 1970

lookout123 · 09-08-2008, 11:17 AM

when i first came to the cellar i thought radar was a caricature of a libertarian. now he seems a caricature of himself.

ZenGum · 09-08-2008, 08:10 PM

I'm too lazy to follow all those links and watch all those vids at work.
Anyone care to tell me what the difference between the various accounts of what happened are?

Big Sarge · 09-08-2008, 08:32 PM

Did any of you read the text of these "documents" provided by Task Force Omega, INC (what a name!)? Have any of you ever heard an American use terms like, "They flew very fast, very strongly." Man read these transcripts. Do you honestly believe a US Naval Academy graduate would use that sentence structure? Also, much of this information was released through Cuba. Lord Radar, you are really grasping for straws

classicman · 09-08-2008, 08:37 PM

Sorry Zen, but that's a matter of perspective. Then again I'm sure the poster would be glad to tell you what to think.

Urbane Guerrilla · 09-09-2008, 12:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Radar

Not really. The swiftboaters were lying. These people aren't.

Okay, register Radar not as LIB on the voter registration lists, but as DEM (toetag).

Wasn't it T. Boone Pickens who put up one million dollars, kept in a special account, as an award for anyone who could prove Unfit For Command was either lying or in error... and that money is still there since '04, every cent? I presume the account is interest bearing.

If you really had the wherewithal to prove your silly notion, Paul, you could make a million off of Pickens. I don't think this will happen. You shall instead mentally masturbate, and post the occasional ejaculation here.

Radar · 09-09-2008, 12:49 AM

This year, the Libertarian Party is running Bob Barr who is not a libertarian in the slightest. That is to say, he's exactly as libertarian as you are.

The Bush administration did more damage to America than any other president in American history including Lincoln, FDR, Taft, Wilson, Clinton, and Nixon.

McCain will continue his failed and destructive policies and he'll most likely die while in office leaving us with an airheaded neocon. Bush nearly destroyed America, and they would finish the job.

This year will be no different. Either a Republican or a Democrat will win. So my choice is to pick the candidate that is least offensive to true libertarians. Normally, I'd vote for the libertarian candidate, but since the LP is no longer run by actual libertarians and they are running a candidate who isn't a libertarian, I'm going to go with Obama.

I don't like him as a candidate, but he is leaps and bounds better than Barr or McCain. He will end the blatantly unconstitutional and wholly unlibertarian war in Iraq.

classicman · 09-09-2008, 08:12 AM

Quote Radar "I'm going to go with Obama.
I don't like him as a candidate, but he is leaps and bounds better than Barr or McCain. He will end the ~snip~ war in Iraq."

Sure he will - and he'll lower taxes and give us Universal Healthcare and and and and ad nauseum. He won't do squat just like the rest of them - He delivers a speech VERY well, but I don't see any substance behind it. I have similar negative views on the other guy too - too old too outdated too far right... The direction of America for at least the next four years is at stake and it doesn't look good no matter who gets elected.

These guys look at winning the election as the end, when it should be the beginning of an opportunity to serve and better this country.

09-07-2008, 12:24 AM	#1
Radar Constitutional Scholar Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Ocala, FL Posts: 4,006	The Truth About John McCain's Heroism __________________ "I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. My idea is that these two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death." - George Carlin

09-07-2008, 12:27 AM	#2
Radar Constitutional Scholar Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Ocala, FL Posts: 4,006	__________________ "I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. My idea is that these two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death." - George Carlin

09-07-2008, 12:38 AM	#3
Radar Constitutional Scholar Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Ocala, FL Posts: 4,006	__________________ "I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. My idea is that these two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death." - George Carlin

09-07-2008, 01:20 AM	#4
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	The Dems got swiftboaters too. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

09-07-2008, 01:30 AM	#5
Radar Constitutional Scholar Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Ocala, FL Posts: 4,006	Not really. The swiftboaters were lying. These people aren't. __________________ "I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. My idea is that these two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death." - George Carlin

09-07-2008, 08:36 PM	#6
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	Of course they aren't lying - they agree with you. __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

09-07-2008, 09:54 PM	#7
smoothmoniker to live and die in LA Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 2,090	This is a sad old man on a crusade of misinformation. These charges have been raised before, and laid to rest. __________________ to live and die in LA

09-07-2008, 10:27 PM	#8
Radar Constitutional Scholar Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Ocala, FL Posts: 4,006	Wrong. They have not been laid to rest. They have been proven to be factual. This document is a transcript of a Hanoi correspondent broadcast to Cuba quoting newly captured POW John McCain detailing U.S. military information about U.S. bombing operations over North Vietnam. The broadcast was transmitted in English on November 09, 1967 and intercepted by U.S. intelligence McCain Interview - Cuba Radio Broadcast - November 9, 1967 This document is a transcript of a North Vietnamese news service article, translated from French to English. "Nhan Dan today published answers to questions by one of its correspondents made by a U.S. air pirate detained in North Vietnam. "He is Lt. John Sidney McCain . . ." Hanoi VNA International Service in French - November 9, 1967 McCain Interview - Nhan Dan News Service - November 9, 1967 This document is a transcript of an "exclusive" interview of newly captured POW John McCain by "prominent" French television reporter Francois Chalais - January 1968, The interview was broadcast in French to Europe. McCain Interview - Francois Chalais - January 1968 Transcript of John McCain's June 2, 1969 radio broadcast beamed into South Vietnam in response to Defense Secretary Melvin S. Laird, May 19, plea that North Vietnam treat U.S. prisoners according to the humanitarian standards set forth by the Geneva Convention. McCain Interview - Radio Broadcast South Vietnam - June 2, 1969 This document is a transcript of an "exclusive" interview of POW John McCain by Spanish psychiatrist Dr. Fernando Barral. The meeting between Barral and POW McCain took away from the POW camp in an office of the Committee for Foreign Cultural Relations in Hanoi. The interview was published January 24, 1970 in Havana, Cuba. McCain Interview - Dr. Fernando Barral - January 24, 1970 __________________ "I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. My idea is that these two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death." - George Carlin

09-08-2008, 11:17 AM	#9
lookout123 changed his status to single Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Right behind you. No, the other side. Posts: 10,308	when i first came to the cellar i thought radar was a caricature of a libertarian. now he seems a caricature of himself. __________________ Getting knocked down is no sin, it's not getting back up that's the sin

09-08-2008, 08:10 PM	#10
ZenGum Doctor Wtf Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Badelaide, Baustralia Posts: 12,861	I'm too lazy to follow all those links and watch all those vids at work. Anyone care to tell me what the difference between the various accounts of what happened are? __________________ Shut up and hug. MoreThanPretty, Nov 5, 2008. Just because I'm nominally polite, does not make me a pussy. Sundae Girl.

09-08-2008, 08:32 PM	#11
Big Sarge Werepandas - lurking in your shadows Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: In the Deep South Posts: 3,408	Did any of you read the text of these "documents" provided by Task Force Omega, INC (what a name!)? Have any of you ever heard an American use terms like, "They flew very fast, very strongly." Man read these transcripts. Do you honestly believe a US Naval Academy graduate would use that sentence structure? Also, much of this information was released through Cuba. Lord Radar, you are really grasping for straws

09-08-2008, 08:37 PM	#12
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	Sorry Zen, but that's a matter of perspective. Then again I'm sure the poster would be glad to tell you what to think. __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

09-09-2008, 12:49 AM	#14
Radar Constitutional Scholar Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Ocala, FL Posts: 4,006	This year, the Libertarian Party is running Bob Barr who is not a libertarian in the slightest. That is to say, he's exactly as libertarian as you are. The Bush administration did more damage to America than any other president in American history including Lincoln, FDR, Taft, Wilson, Clinton, and Nixon. McCain will continue his failed and destructive policies and he'll most likely die while in office leaving us with an airheaded neocon. Bush nearly destroyed America, and they would finish the job. This year will be no different. Either a Republican or a Democrat will win. So my choice is to pick the candidate that is least offensive to true libertarians. Normally, I'd vote for the libertarian candidate, but since the LP is no longer run by actual libertarians and they are running a candidate who isn't a libertarian, I'm going to go with Obama. I don't like him as a candidate, but he is leaps and bounds better than Barr or McCain. He will end the blatantly unconstitutional and wholly unlibertarian war in Iraq. __________________ "I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. My idea is that these two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death." - George Carlin

09-09-2008, 08:12 AM	#15
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	Quote Radar "I'm going to go with Obama. I don't like him as a candidate, but he is leaps and bounds better than Barr or McCain. He will end the ~snip~ war in Iraq." Sure he will - and he'll lower taxes and give us Universal Healthcare and and and and ad nauseum. He won't do squat just like the rest of them - He delivers a speech VERY well, but I don't see any substance behind it. I have similar negative views on the other guy too - too old too outdated too far right... The direction of America for at least the next four years is at stake and it doesn't look good no matter who gets elected. These guys look at winning the election as the end, when it should be the beginning of an opportunity to serve and better this country. __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

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