Rock Band Battles

lumberjim · 02-04-2008, 02:46 PM

Steely Dan

vs.

The White Stripes

you feel me?

Cicero · 02-04-2008, 03:42 PM

No...not really....Are you saying one would obviously kick the other's butt or it would be a good match? Rules...I need rules here.

lumberjim · 02-04-2008, 03:48 PM

no rules. except.....no touching the hair or face....

to me they represent opposite ends of a spectrum. i like feel rock much more than tecnically correct rock. I like music that makes me feel a certain way...whichever way it may be.....

white stripes:beer / steelly dan:cognac

Undertoad · 02-04-2008, 04:05 PM

Quote:

I like music that makes me feel a certain way...whichever way it may be.....

Yeah, so does everyone. Try again

Cicero · 02-04-2008, 04:12 PM

Oh...I was thinking more along the lines of which bands you would like to see get into a street fight. (fight style depending on music style and projected band details of course) Not so much apples and oranges comparison...

Like: They might be giants
vs.
The pogues

(fighting over who's pet alpaca website is the best at a bistro by passive aggressively staring at the other group and so talking about them and maybe not inviting them to their next buddy holly theme party and *so close to* almost giving someone a nasty look)

Disclaimer:
I like both bands everyone so back off.

Flint · 02-04-2008, 04:28 PM

Do we get bonus points if the same musician has played in both projects? Like Megadeth versus Sting (Vinnie Colaiuta) or Slayer versus Vivaldi's Four Seasons (Dave Lombardo)? Do you think the Steely Dan guys thought "I want a little of that Frank Zappa feeling" when they hired Vinnie? Or Steve Smith, with all that Journey experience under his belt, how are fusion listeners supposed to feel about him?

lumberjim · 02-04-2008, 04:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Undertoad

Yeah, so does everyone. Try again

well, that is to say that steely dan doesnt make me feel any kind of way. it touches no places within me. neither does Yes.

binky · 02-04-2008, 04:53 PM

Steely Dan was required road trip music for me and my husband since before the kids were born

Undertoad · 02-04-2008, 05:02 PM

Everybody thinks they listen to the music that they like.

But when I studied this, I found out that people like the music that they listen to.

I looked at this problem in detail in college. Here are actual simulated quotes from actual students at the time. (Only one of these is an actual quote, the rest represent the sentiment stated)

My freshman year 1982: "I hate the Cars, so fuckin' New Wave!"

My sophomore year 1983: "The Cars are great! But I hate the Police, so fuckin' New Wave!"

My junior year 1984: "The Police are awesome! But I hate U2, so fuckin' New Wave!"

My senior year 1985: "U2 are the new Gods. But DAMN I hate REM, so fuckin' New Wave!"

So.... am I saying that all you need to do is to listen to Yes and you'll like it?

No, the word "listen" means much more than that. What happens is that your brain forms patterns of what it recognizes, over time. You setting into interpreting music differently. If you like things because they are simple, it doesn't mean you are incapable of liking complicated things. It only means you haven't chosen to.

AND I'm not just saying "oh but you haven't given my music a chance!" I'm also saying oh, but I haven't given your music a chance. But that's just how it is. It's not that one sucks and the other does not. It's that we settle in, and ground our taste until it anchors us, gives us a kicking-off point.

Cicero · 02-04-2008, 05:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Undertoad

Everybody thinks they listen to the music that they like.

But when I studied this, I found out that people like the music that they listen to.

.......(yoda yo yo yo yo yo yoda)

xoxoxoBruce · 02-04-2008, 05:46 PM

I'll always love the music that I was into during particularly happy times in my life. I think that's a given, but I wonder if I concentrated on listening more, with less distractions, during happy times?

classicman · 02-04-2008, 07:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lumberjim

well, that is to say that steely dan doesnt make me feel any kind of way. it touches no places within me. neither does Yes.

Wow - you really do have issues. You really are into just whatever floats yer boat. Those "bands" have some of the most talented musicians ever in them. From Yes, for example, Steve Howe, Chris Squire, Rick Wakeman and Bill Bruford were all inducted into the Hall of Fame for their respective talents.

Clodfobble · 02-04-2008, 09:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by classicman

Wow - you really do have issues. You really are into just whatever floats yer boat. Those "bands" have some of the most talented musicians ever in them. From Yes, for example, Steve Howe, Chris Squire, Rick Wakeman and Bill Bruford were all inducted into the Hall of Fame for their respective talents.

Recognizing talent in a piece of music is not the same as getting an emotional reaction from it. If he said he didn't care for Picasso, would you say he has "issues?" The point is that art affects different people different ways.

lumberjim · 02-04-2008, 10:20 PM

can i get an amen?

Flint · 02-04-2008, 10:35 PM

As a self-confessed technical analyzer of music, I have to say that I can't rationally explain why I like some of my favorite stuff.

02-04-2008, 02:46 PM	#1
lumberjim I can hear my ears Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 25,571	Rock Band Battles Steely Dan vs. The White Stripes you feel me? __________________ This body holding me reminds me of my own mortality Embrace this moment, remember We are eternal, all this pain is an illusion ~MJKeenan

02-04-2008, 03:42 PM	#2
Cicero Looking forward to open mic night. Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: New Mexico Posts: 5,148	No...not really....Are you saying one would obviously kick the other's butt or it would be a good match? Rules...I need rules here. __________________ Show me a sane man, and I will cure him for you.- Carl Jung

02-04-2008, 03:48 PM	#3
lumberjim I can hear my ears Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 25,571	no rules. except.....no touching the hair or face.... to me they represent opposite ends of a spectrum. i like feel rock much more than tecnically correct rock. I like music that makes me feel a certain way...whichever way it may be..... white stripes:beer / steelly dan:cognac __________________ This body holding me reminds me of my own mortality Embrace this moment, remember We are eternal, all this pain is an illusion ~MJKeenan

02-04-2008, 04:12 PM	#5
Cicero Looking forward to open mic night. Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: New Mexico Posts: 5,148	Oh...I was thinking more along the lines of which bands you would like to see get into a street fight. (fight style depending on music style and projected band details of course) Not so much apples and oranges comparison... Like: They might be giants vs. The pogues (fighting over who's pet alpaca website is the best at a bistro by passive aggressively staring at the other group and so talking about them and maybe not inviting them to their next buddy holly theme party and so close to almost giving someone a nasty look) Disclaimer: I like both bands everyone so back off. __________________ Show me a sane man, and I will cure him for you.- Carl Jung

02-04-2008, 04:28 PM	#6
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	Do we get bonus points if the same musician has played in both projects? Like Megadeth versus Sting (Vinnie Colaiuta) or Slayer versus Vivaldi's Four Seasons (Dave Lombardo)? Do you think the Steely Dan guys thought "I want a little of that Frank Zappa feeling" when they hired Vinnie? Or Steve Smith, with all that Journey experience under his belt, how are fusion listeners supposed to feel about him? __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

02-04-2008, 04:53 PM	#8
binky all hollowed out Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Ridgecrest, CA Posts: 982	Steely Dan was required road trip music for me and my husband since before the kids were born __________________ The meanest Mom EVER!!!!

02-04-2008, 05:02 PM	#9
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	Everybody thinks they listen to the music that they like. But when I studied this, I found out that people like the music that they listen to. I looked at this problem in detail in college. Here are actual simulated quotes from actual students at the time. (Only one of these is an actual quote, the rest represent the sentiment stated) My freshman year 1982: "I hate the Cars, so fuckin' New Wave!" My sophomore year 1983: "The Cars are great! But I hate the Police, so fuckin' New Wave!" My junior year 1984: "The Police are awesome! But I hate U2, so fuckin' New Wave!" My senior year 1985: "U2 are the new Gods. But DAMN I hate REM, so fuckin' New Wave!" So.... am I saying that all you need to do is to listen to Yes and you'll like it? No, the word "listen" means much more than that. What happens is that your brain forms patterns of what it recognizes, over time. You setting into interpreting music differently. If you like things because they are simple, it doesn't mean you are incapable of liking complicated things. It only means you haven't chosen to. AND I'm not just saying "oh but you haven't given my music a chance!" I'm also saying oh, but I haven't given your music a chance. But that's just how it is. It's not that one sucks and the other does not. It's that we settle in, and ground our taste until it anchors us, gives us a kicking-off point.

02-04-2008, 05:46 PM	#11
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	I'll always love the music that I was into during particularly happy times in my life. I think that's a given, but I wonder if I concentrated on listening more, with less distractions, during happy times? __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

02-04-2008, 10:20 PM	#14
lumberjim I can hear my ears Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 25,571	can i get an amen? __________________ This body holding me reminds me of my own mortality Embrace this moment, remember We are eternal, all this pain is an illusion ~MJKeenan

02-04-2008, 10:35 PM	#15
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	As a self-confessed technical analyzer of music, I have to say that I can't rationally explain why I like some of my favorite stuff. __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

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