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Defining Fascism
A philosophy or system of government that is marked by stringent social and economic control, a strong, centralized government usually headed by a dictator, and often a policy of belligerent nationalism. -The American Heritage Dictionary
Italian Fascism according to the bastard whose life's work reversed mankind's progress eliminating servitude to the State after so much progress had been made. Wiki has a bunch cherry picking below A form of political behavior marked by obsessive preoccupation with community decline, humiliation or victimhood and by compensatory cults of unity, energy and purity, in which a mass-based party of committed nationalist militants, working in uneasy but effective collaboration with traditional elites, abandons democratic liberties and pursues with redemptive violence and without ethical or legal restraints goals of internal cleansing and external expansion.- Robert Paxton Definitions like this are why Bush and UG are often called fascists. The Cult of Tradition, The Cult of Action for Action's Sake, Disagreement is Treason, Fear of Difference, Appeal to a Frustrated Middle Class, Obsession With a plot, Pacifism is Trafficking With the Enemy/Life is Permanent Warfare, Contempt for the Weak, Selective Populism, and Newspeak. - Umberto Eco I really like his action for actions sake angle. It crosses easily into all Statist philosophy not just Fascist. Organicist conceptions of community; Philosophical idealism; Idealization of "manly" (usually peasant or village) virtues; A resentment of mass democracy; Elitist conceptions of political and social leadership; Racism (and usually, though not necessarily, anti-Semitism); Militarism; Imperialism. - John Weiss We have to be careful with some definitions that are out there because they are written with the intent of showing difference with the other authoritarian scourge of the last century. We probably won't get an agreed definition but authoritarianism, militarism, and nationalism seem to be the common threads. I would also throw the close relationship of business and government in there. - Griff
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Can we all agree that fascism sucks?
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Franklin Pierce
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Hey guys, don't bash fascism, I'm one after all.
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For me if you promote your ideals over all and crush/suppress all other ideals. Usually accompanied with the destruction of any materials and teachings that contradict theirs.
What the European nations do with anything to do with the BNP, whit power groups or anything to do with national socialist. So ironic and hilarious, to become a fascist to fight them. |
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DamienHTF is an artist on dA who is doing a series on fascism, using Dr. Laurence W. Britt's 14 points of fascism.
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Interestingly, the English dictionary has a very different definition to that of the American dictionary:
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What American dictionary are you referring to?
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Mussolini and Franco rigidly controlled all media, films, and arts for propaganda purposes. But Bush is a fascist! Pinochet ordered a death squad called the "Caravan of Death" to execute 71 of his biggest enemies in the Army, even though they were already under arrest. But the PNAC, they're fascists! Suharto killed up to a million members of the opposition political party. But Bush...! (H*tl*r shall remain unmentioned due to Godwin's Law.) |
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erika
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I didnt make the art, I'm only advertising.
But you can't deny bush and his regime fits into most of the catagories, albeit not NEARLY to the terrible extremes of the 'real' fascist dictators. Call him a protofascist, if you like. Call him a fascist-in-training. Call him a terrible president or an enemy of freedom, or even just a dumbass. But don't call him good, or just, or anything of the sort.
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It's merely garden-variety right-wing policy combined with incompetency. To go further than that is simply Identification of enemies/scapegoats as a unifying cause.
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He's not a fascist dictator, he's a fascist president.
He does the best he can with the power he has, but could never match a dictator for total effectiveness.
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Radical Centrist
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No dictator, no fascism.
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