New build for win 2-K

busterb · 02-02-2007, 10:22 AM

1. If I take my drive from this box and plug in new one, will it boot? So I can move all to new drive.
2. Guess a clean install would be better? But sure do hate to dwn- load all the updates again.

The new build is http://www.suggestafix.com/index.php?showtopic=24898
Other boards I'm looking at.
http://www.asus.com.tw/products4.asp...=3&l2=101&l3=0
http://www.gigabyte.com.tw/Products/...e=GA-M57SLI-S4

Any tips, suggestions about fans, cables - ETC. will be welcome. As in other post, I'm hung up on mobo, can't make up my mind. bb

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Undertoad · 02-02-2007, 10:47 AM

Your installation will have drivers specifically for the motherboard, as well as the rest of the hardware. If you change motherboards, especially to something radically different, there is a chance it won't boot.

But it's worth a try and I must add that I've swapped MBs several times over the life of my current installation.

There are procedures out there to remove the old drivers BEFORE beginning the install of the new board. That way Win2K boots to something more "generic" and you have a chance to add the right drivers.

mbpark · 02-02-2007, 03:22 PM

You really want to run sysprep or something else before moving the motherboard.

There are many devices which Windows installs for low-level functionality that change. Sysprep was designed by MS to abstract that away and allow you to image a machine.

I can also say that you may have issues with newer device drivers and Windows 2000, as many lower-end vendors are not supporting Win2K anymore. There were issues with newer hardware 4 years ago with Win2K. Unless you run a machine that has fully compatible parts, like a Dell Optiplex,

Win2K has issues with HW. It's better to run XP Pro on newer hardware. This isn't because of the OS (Win2K is a fine OS). It's because the vendors aren't so good with writing device drivers for that OS.

The only time I've seen switching a drive working is when I imaged an ATA drive to a SATA drive on the same computer, and then booted XP Pro off of the SATA drive.

This is something which is going to require some work.

tw · 02-03-2007, 05:46 AM

Because of cautions post by mbpark, this is why I get a new drive. I copy the old drive to a new drive, then 'repair' the new drive from the Windows CD on the new hardware. Those drivers that UT refers to is the HAL. HAL is the interface between Windows and the many unique hardware types. As mbpark notes, a new type of hardware on that new motherboard might not be known to Windows 2000. Therefore it is better to modify the HAL on a new drive (copy of the original) rather than modify the HAL on that original drive only to discover it does not work.

busterb · 02-03-2007, 09:50 AM

tw. Can you expand on that?

Quote:

I copy the old drive to a new drive, then 'repair' the new drive from the Windows CD on the new hardware.

My drive is on an ata board. New board will have ata and sata.
So how do I copy to new drive, which is sata? I hope not buy an ext.
enclosure for sata drive. Tnx all bb
New board is http://usa.asus.com/products.aspx?l1...66&modelmenu=2

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mbpark · 02-03-2007, 12:39 PM

busterb,

You may want to get yourself the Ultimate Boot CD for Windows (www.ubcd4win.com) and an eval copy of All Image Pro.

I've used this to make images from one drive to another, and used them to image an ATA drive to an SATA drive.

The driver issue...that may be a bit more telling. Newer drivers attempt to use XP-only features and can cause crashes on a Win2K system. Unless you're running an HP Proliant or Dell Optiplex, it'll be an issue.

Tw is right. You really want to make an image and modify that. UBCD4Win and All Image Pro (or the Drive Image Pro on that CD) can really help you there. We actually use UBCD4Win (built from an XP Service Pack 2 CD) at my largest customer to boot dead HP Proliant servers and get work done on them, as the CD has the latest drivers for the SmartArray RAID controllers (and the latest SATA drivers) on them.

All Image Pro is worth the money, as it simplifies direct imaging. It saved my butt with my ThinkPad.

Newegg has SATA controllers for $20 that you can use.

busterb · 02-03-2007, 04:20 PM

Quote:

Newegg has SATA controllers for $20 that you can use.

. Mitch. Is this what you're talking about?
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/Produc...uctCode=256501 Does it have both power and data connections on card. If not, I don't understand the hook-up. For cables on my ATA board
I have TrueImage, which makes an image or bk ups.
So, if I can get an image on new SATA drive, then install in new box, try to boot, if boot then do a repair. From 2k cd or recovery console?
Sorry to be so dumb, it's been about 4 years since I built a new one. And since I started using true image for bk ups and restores havn't had to reload an os. bb

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mbpark · 02-04-2007, 09:24 AM

Busterb,

You'll have to put the SATA drivers on a floppy (yes I am serious) and hit F6 during boot so that Win2K sees the SATA controller.

You'll need to use the Win2K CD, and then immediately apply Win2K SP4 and the Win2K Security Rollup 1 afterward, and then run Windows Update.

If you get a Western Digital SATA drive, you can just use the Data Lifeguard tools to image the drive (they work really well).

Also make sure you put the > 128GB HD Registry Fix in for Windows 2000 so that it recognizes it.

You'll also want to pick up an ATA to SATA power adapter if your SATA drive does not support standard power supply connections.

Thanks,

Mitch

busterb · 02-05-2007, 12:41 PM

Thanks Mitch. Guess it would solve all the problems, if I just install XP-pro on new build and leave this one alone for a bk-up computer. I have xp-pro that I bought 3/05 and never installed.
Whatcha think? bb

mbpark · 02-05-2007, 04:03 PM

Busterb,

It would solve a few issues

.

However, with what I outlined, Windows 2000 will work on the new hardware. I can't guarantee all the drivers will like it, but it should.

I am just relating what I went through when I had to replace the 20GB HDs (don't ask why they ordered them for developer workstations) with 250GB hard drives at another customer. Even though I'm a DBA, and definitely not a PC Tech there, I had to replace a few in Windows 2000 Professional workstations. It didn't take so long, and the Data Lifeguard Tools made life easy.

Thanks,

Mitch

busterb · 02-09-2007, 08:47 AM

Mitch. You might want to watch posting anything with ?BA included, it just might attract tw.

Quote:

Even though I'm a DBA, and definitely not a PC Tech there

bb

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xoxoxoBruce · 02-09-2007, 08:44 PM

Having fun, Buster?

zippyt · 02-09-2007, 09:11 PM

You asked for it Buster B !!!!

busterb · 02-10-2007, 11:41 AM

Here's the ordered parts. I'll run XP-PRO as OS. Yes Bruce, it's been fun. I've looked at reviews and specs till my head hurt.

Case. Antec Performance One P180B Advanced Super Mid Tower Case
PSU. Antec NeoHE 550 High Efficiency 550W Power Supply
MoBo. Asus M2N4-SLI nForce4 SLI Sempron/Athlon 64(FX)(X2) SktAM2 DDR2 ATX Motherboard w/Audio, Gigabit LAN, RAID/Serial ATA.

CPU. AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual-Core Processor 4200+ Socket AM2 (65W)
RAM. Corsair TWIN2X2048-6400C4 2GB Kit DDR2-800 XMS2-6400 Xtreme Performance
VIDEO. BFG Tech BFGR76256GTOCE GeForce 7600GT 256MB 128-bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16
HDD. WD1600YS 160GB 3.0 Gb/s 16 MB Cache 7200 RPM SATA
SATA to USB. Vantec CB-ISATAU2 SATA/IDE to USB 2.0 Adapter
DVD-rom. LG GDR-8164BK 16X IDE DVD-ROM
Fans-2 Antec 120mm SmartCool Case Fan
PSU Tester. Thermaltake A2358 Dr. Power Power Supply Tester

test

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Undertoad · 02-10-2007, 12:03 PM

If using an older monitor, make sure the video card has the type of output plugs you need. Newer LCD screens take a new "DVI" connector and some video cards only have those (ideally, two of them). Some cards have the old 15 pin "VGA" analog out.

02-02-2007, 10:22 AM	#1
busterb NSABFD Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: MS. usa Posts: 3,908	New build for win 2-K 1. If I take my drive from this box and plug in new one, will it boot? So I can move all to new drive. 2. Guess a clean install would be better? But sure do hate to dwn- load all the updates again. The new build is http://www.suggestafix.com/index.php?showtopic=24898 Other boards I'm looking at. http://www.asus.com.tw/products4.asp...=3&l2=101&l3=0 http://www.gigabyte.com.tw/Products/...e=GA-M57SLI-S4 Any tips, suggestions about fans, cables - ETC. will be welcome. As in other post, I'm hung up on mobo, can't make up my mind. bb 29 __________________ I've haven't left very deep footprints in the sands of time. But, boy I've left a bunch.

02-02-2007, 03:22 PM	#3
mbpark Lecturer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Carmel, Indiana Posts: 761	sysprep You really want to run sysprep or something else before moving the motherboard. There are many devices which Windows installs for low-level functionality that change. Sysprep was designed by MS to abstract that away and allow you to image a machine. I can also say that you may have issues with newer device drivers and Windows 2000, as many lower-end vendors are not supporting Win2K anymore. There were issues with newer hardware 4 years ago with Win2K. Unless you run a machine that has fully compatible parts, like a Dell Optiplex, Win2K has issues with HW. It's better to run XP Pro on newer hardware. This isn't because of the OS (Win2K is a fine OS). It's because the vendors aren't so good with writing device drivers for that OS. The only time I've seen switching a drive working is when I imaged an ATA drive to a SATA drive on the same computer, and then booted XP Pro off of the SATA drive. This is something which is going to require some work.

02-03-2007, 12:39 PM	#6
mbpark Lecturer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Carmel, Indiana Posts: 761	copying an ATA to SATA drive busterb, You may want to get yourself the Ultimate Boot CD for Windows (www.ubcd4win.com) and an eval copy of All Image Pro. I've used this to make images from one drive to another, and used them to image an ATA drive to an SATA drive. The driver issue...that may be a bit more telling. Newer drivers attempt to use XP-only features and can cause crashes on a Win2K system. Unless you're running an HP Proliant or Dell Optiplex, it'll be an issue. Tw is right. You really want to make an image and modify that. UBCD4Win and All Image Pro (or the Drive Image Pro on that CD) can really help you there. We actually use UBCD4Win (built from an XP Service Pack 2 CD) at my largest customer to boot dead HP Proliant servers and get work done on them, as the CD has the latest drivers for the SmartArray RAID controllers (and the latest SATA drivers) on them. All Image Pro is worth the money, as it simplifies direct imaging. It saved my butt with my ThinkPad. Newegg has SATA controllers for $20 that you can use.

02-04-2007, 09:24 AM	#8
mbpark Lecturer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Carmel, Indiana Posts: 761	Boot-up Busterb, You'll have to put the SATA drivers on a floppy (yes I am serious) and hit F6 during boot so that Win2K sees the SATA controller. You'll need to use the Win2K CD, and then immediately apply Win2K SP4 and the Win2K Security Rollup 1 afterward, and then run Windows Update. If you get a Western Digital SATA drive, you can just use the Data Lifeguard tools to image the drive (they work really well). Also make sure you put the > 128GB HD Registry Fix in for Windows 2000 so that it recognizes it. You'll also want to pick up an ATA to SATA power adapter if your SATA drive does not support standard power supply connections. Thanks, Mitch

02-05-2007, 12:41 PM	#9
busterb NSABFD Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: MS. usa Posts: 3,908	Thanks Mitch. Guess it would solve all the problems, if I just install XP-pro on new build and leave this one alone for a bk-up computer. I have xp-pro that I bought 3/05 and never installed. Whatcha think? bb __________________ I've haven't left very deep footprints in the sands of time. But, boy I've left a bunch.

02-02-2007, 10:47 AM	#2
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	Your installation will have drivers specifically for the motherboard, as well as the rest of the hardware. If you change motherboards, especially to something radically different, there is a chance it won't boot. But it's worth a try and I must add that I've swapped MBs several times over the life of my current installation. There are procedures out there to remove the old drivers BEFORE beginning the install of the new board. That way Win2K boots to something more "generic" and you have a chance to add the right drivers.

02-03-2007, 05:46 AM	#4
tw Read? I only know how to write. Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 11,933	Because of cautions post by mbpark, this is why I get a new drive. I copy the old drive to a new drive, then 'repair' the new drive from the Windows CD on the new hardware. Those drivers that UT refers to is the HAL. HAL is the interface between Windows and the many unique hardware types. As mbpark notes, a new type of hardware on that new motherboard might not be known to Windows 2000. Therefore it is better to modify the HAL on a new drive (copy of the original) rather than modify the HAL on that original drive only to discover it does not work.

02-05-2007, 04:03 PM	#10
mbpark Lecturer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Carmel, Indiana Posts: 761	It would solve a few issues.. Busterb, It would solve a few issues . However, with what I outlined, Windows 2000 will work on the new hardware. I can't guarantee all the drivers will like it, but it should. I am just relating what I went through when I had to replace the 20GB HDs (don't ask why they ordered them for developer workstations) with 250GB hard drives at another customer. Even though I'm a DBA, and definitely not a PC Tech there, I had to replace a few in Windows 2000 Professional workstations. It didn't take so long, and the Data Lifeguard Tools made life easy. Thanks, Mitch

02-09-2007, 08:44 PM	#12
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Having fun, Buster? __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump. Last edited by xoxoxoBruce; 04-07-2007 at 05:47 PM.

02-09-2007, 09:11 PM	#13
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02-10-2007, 11:41 AM	#14
busterb NSABFD Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: MS. usa Posts: 3,908	Here's the ordered parts. I'll run XP-PRO as OS. Yes Bruce, it's been fun. I've looked at reviews and specs till my head hurt. Case. Antec Performance One P180B Advanced Super Mid Tower Case PSU. Antec NeoHE 550 High Efficiency 550W Power Supply MoBo. Asus M2N4-SLI nForce4 SLI Sempron/Athlon 64(FX)(X2) SktAM2 DDR2 ATX Motherboard w/Audio, Gigabit LAN, RAID/Serial ATA. CPU. AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual-Core Processor 4200+ Socket AM2 (65W) RAM. Corsair TWIN2X2048-6400C4 2GB Kit DDR2-800 XMS2-6400 Xtreme Performance VIDEO. BFG Tech BFGR76256GTOCE GeForce 7600GT 256MB 128-bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16 HDD. WD1600YS 160GB 3.0 Gb/s 16 MB Cache 7200 RPM SATA SATA to USB. Vantec CB-ISATAU2 SATA/IDE to USB 2.0 Adapter DVD-rom. LG GDR-8164BK 16X IDE DVD-ROM Fans-2 Antec 120mm SmartCool Case Fan PSU Tester. Thermaltake A2358 Dr. Power Power Supply Tester test 37 __________________ I've haven't left very deep footprints in the sands of time. But, boy I've left a bunch.

02-10-2007, 12:03 PM	#15
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	If using an older monitor, make sure the video card has the type of output plugs you need. Newer LCD screens take a new "DVI" connector and some video cards only have those (ideally, two of them). Some cards have the old 15 pin "VGA" analog out.

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