Hubble Telescope Makes New Discovery

skysidhe · 11-17-2006, 09:51 AM

I never knew there was a theory besides the big bang of which I always found boring. I am glad Einstein was right about a theory I never learned about.
It is facinating for the first time so excuse my indulgence to the brains who already knew something about it.

Anyway, I saw this article and thought it very interesting. Plus the hubble pictures are beautiful.

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This so-called "dark energy" has been pushing the universe outward for at least 9 billion years, astronomers said Thursday.

"This is the first time we have significant, discrete data from back then," said Adam Riess, a professor of astronomy at Johns Hopkins University and researcher at NASA's Space Telescope Science Institute.

He and several colleagues used the Hubble to observe 23 supernovae - exploding white dwarf stars - so distant that their light took more than half the history of the universe to reach the orbiting telescope. That means the supernovae existed when the universe was less than half its current age of approximately 13.7 billion years.

Because the physics of supernova explosions is extremely well-known, it is possible for the astronomers to gauge not just their distance, but how fast the universe was expanding at the time they went off.

History of the Hubble

"This finding continues to validate the use of these supernovae as cosmic probes," Riess said.

http://articles.news.aol.com/news/_a...00010000000001
NASA photograph shows a supernova explosion in 2005. Scientists recently found in distant supernovae that "dark energy" helped push the universe outward

I clear picture of the galaxy.

Pie · 11-17-2006, 10:00 AM

The "dark energy" theory is not in opposition to the big bang; it's an adjutant. So is Inflation.
As far as Einstein being right -- being right for the wrong reason isn't worth much. One's theory only as good as the logic path that brought one there.

barefoot serpent · 11-17-2006, 10:08 AM

yeah, what Pie said...

another pic of the Crab Nebula on APOD;

the 2nd pic is also on APOD (M51)

Clodfobble · 11-17-2006, 10:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by skysidhe

I never knew there was a theory besides the big bang of which I always found boring.

Heaven forbid science might not be entertaining enough. They should really try harder to spice it up!

skysidhe · 11-17-2006, 10:28 AM

Thanks for the beautiful links barefoot!

and pie.....
.....and who am I to argue with brains although Albert is probably turning over in his grave ....anew..today.

"As far as the laws of mathematics refer to reality, they are not certain; as far as they are certain, they do not refer to reality."--Albert Einstein

Elspode · 11-17-2006, 12:02 PM

I still give Einstein some credit. He introduced a "fudge factor" because he couldn't identify the reasons that things didn't fit his calculations. Even though he couldn't identify the source of the variations, the fact that his work showed that variations were there is still pretty cool.

skysidhe · 11-17-2006, 01:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clodfobble

Heaven forbid science might not be entertaining enough. They should really try harder to spice it up!

I quite agree. I wasn't interested in science and history much until I was OUT of school. Science was my best subject and still I know nothing.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elspode

I still give Einstein some credit. He introduced a "fudge factor" because he couldn't identify the reasons that things didn't fit his calculations. Even though he couldn't identify the source of the variations, the fact that his work showed that variations were there is still pretty cool.

He had alot of the puzzle. Scientists still don't know exactly what IT 'THE DARK ENERGY' is...not even a little bit.

[edit, to include a slide slow link]http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10913792...mode/1107/s/2/

tw · 11-17-2006, 05:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by skysidhe

I never knew there was a theory besides the big bang of which I always found boring.

Two previous posts on the subject. First was this lumberjim question in
3/9/2004: New Hubble deep field .

Second is a spacecraft to better learn the science -
Alpha Magnetic Spectrometer .

11-17-2006, 05:43 PM

I am a proponent of "variable gravity" & do not buy Dark Energy/Matter.
It is also supported by Einstein.

footfootfoot · 11-18-2006, 10:00 PM

that egg has a blood spot on it, I'm not eating it.

skysidhe · 11-19-2006, 01:03 AM

Quote:Originally Posted by skysidhe
I never knew there was a theory besides the big bang of which I always found boring.

Quote:

Originally Posted by tw

Two previous posts on the subject. First was this lumberjim question in
3/9/2004: New Hubble deep field .

Second is a spacecraft to better learn the science -
Alpha Magnetic Spectrometer .

hum, well, I don't read every thread on the cellar ........and

I was talking about science class theorys but thanks for the links?

tw · 11-19-2006, 10:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by skysidhe

hum, well, I don't read every thread on the cellar ....

Only UT does. That's why he has a superhero name.

Undertoad · 11-19-2006, 10:57 AM

Not only do I read every post, but I read it one minute after it's written. I may take a minute or two and reply at that time.

Also, I am awake and connected 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.

Clodfobble · 11-20-2006, 08:31 AM

Jacquelita PM'ed me this shot just the other day...

skysidhe · 11-20-2006, 08:59 AM

lol

11-17-2006, 09:51 AM	#1
skysidhe ~~Life is either a daring adventure or nothing.~~ Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 6,828	Hubble Telescope Makes New Discovery I never knew there was a theory besides the big bang of which I always found boring. I am glad Einstein was right about a theory I never learned about. It is facinating for the first time so excuse my indulgence to the brains who already knew something about it. Anyway, I saw this article and thought it very interesting. Plus the hubble pictures are beautiful. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ This so-called "dark energy" has been pushing the universe outward for at least 9 billion years, astronomers said Thursday. "This is the first time we have significant, discrete data from back then," said Adam Riess, a professor of astronomy at Johns Hopkins University and researcher at NASA's Space Telescope Science Institute. He and several colleagues used the Hubble to observe 23 supernovae - exploding white dwarf stars - so distant that their light took more than half the history of the universe to reach the orbiting telescope. That means the supernovae existed when the universe was less than half its current age of approximately 13.7 billion years. Because the physics of supernova explosions is extremely well-known, it is possible for the astronomers to gauge not just their distance, but how fast the universe was expanding at the time they went off. History of the Hubble "This finding continues to validate the use of these supernovae as cosmic probes," Riess said. http://articles.news.aol.com/news/_a...00010000000001 NASA photograph shows a supernova explosion in 2005. Scientists recently found in distant supernovae that "dark energy" helped push the universe outward I clear picture of the galaxy.

11-17-2006, 10:00 AM	#2
Pie Gone and done Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 4,808	The "dark energy" theory is not in opposition to the big bang; it's an adjutant. So is Inflation. As far as Einstein being right -- being right for the wrong reason isn't worth much. One's theory only as good as the logic path that brought one there. __________________ per·son \ˈpər-sən\ (noun) - an ephemeral collection of small, irrational decisions The fun thing about evolution (and science in general) is that it happens whether you believe in it or not.

11-17-2006, 10:08 AM	#3
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Elspode When Do I Get Virtual Unreality? Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Raytown, Missouri Posts: 12,719	I still give Einstein some credit. He introduced a "fudge factor" because he couldn't identify the reasons that things didn't fit his calculations. Even though he couldn't identify the source of the variations, the fact that his work showed that variations were there is still pretty cool. __________________ "To those of you who are wearing ties, I think my dad would appreciate it if you took them off." - Robert Moog

11-18-2006, 10:00 PM	#10
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11-17-2006, 10:28 AM	#5
skysidhe ~~Life is either a daring adventure or nothing.~~ Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 6,828	Thanks for the beautiful links barefoot! and pie..... .....and who am I to argue with brains although Albert is probably turning over in his grave ....anew..today. "As far as the laws of mathematics refer to reality, they are not certain; as far as they are certain, they do not refer to reality."--Albert Einstein

11-17-2006, 05:43 PM	#9
rkzenrage Guest Posts: n/a	I am a proponent of "variable gravity" & do not buy Dark Energy/Matter. It is also supported by Einstein.

11-19-2006, 10:57 AM	#13
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	Not only do I read every post, but I read it one minute after it's written. I may take a minute or two and reply at that time. Also, I am awake and connected 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.

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11-20-2006, 08:59 AM	#15
skysidhe ~~Life is either a daring adventure or nothing.~~ Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 6,828	lol

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