Hazelton ans Riverside

Spexxvet · 08-31-2006, 07:59 AM

Hazelton, PA and Riverside, NJ have recently enacted laws that penalize those who knowingly rent to or employ illegal immigrants. There has been uproar from the Latino community, claiming the laws are racially motivated, and suits have been filed charging that the laws are unconstitutional.

Are they?

The laws don't single out "Latino illegal immigrants" to my knowledge. If they included ALL lawbreakers (penalize knowingly renting to/employing a robber or murderer) the new laws certainly couldn't be viewed as discriminatory, could they?

Personnally, I think fewer illegals would come/stay here if there weren't jobs for them or places to live, and these types of laws would have a chilling effect on employers and landlords. I don't have a problem with foreigners wanting to be here, I just think if they want to be in America, they should become citizens and live up to all the obligations that come with citizenship.

wolf · 08-31-2006, 09:54 AM

Good for those towns. I'd love to see that in other communities.

9th Engineer · 08-31-2006, 10:53 AM

Is there a link to that? I'd just love to hear their argument that this is somehow racially motivated. I'm been needing a good laugh since class started...

Undertoad · 08-31-2006, 10:59 AM

Since rental property owners can't easily confirm whether someone is illegal, they'll just avoid making a problem for themselves by only renting to those "obviously from the area".

Spexxvet · 08-31-2006, 11:35 AM

Links:

http://www.prldef.org/Civil/Hazelton...0immigrants%22

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...082101484.html

http://go.reuters.com/newsArticle.jh...rc=rss/topNews

Flint · 08-31-2006, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Undertoad

"obviously from the area"

Reminds me of: "they ran like foreigners"...

Happy Monkey · 08-31-2006, 12:09 PM

What sort of ID is currently required when renting? Is it something that can prove legal residency? If not, will a landlord be asking for additional paperwork if a person 'seems illegal'?

Spexxvet · 08-31-2006, 12:11 PM

I, _________________, swear that I am a legal resident of the USA.

headsplice · 08-31-2006, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by wolf

Good for those towns. I'd love to see that in other communities.

So what would you have illegal immigrants do? Live outside and be homeless?

Flint · 08-31-2006, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by headsplice

Live outside and be homeless?

Sure, "outside" the country !!!

headsplice · 08-31-2006, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Flint

Sure, "outside" the country !!!

Who's gonna pick the fruit?

footfootfoot · 08-31-2006, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

What sort of ID is currently required when renting? Is it something that can prove legal residency? If not, will a landlord be asking for additional paperwork if a person 'seems illegal'?

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Originally Posted by flint

Reminds me of: "they ran like foreigners"...

"OK, The rent's $550. a month, first and last and a security deposit. You pay for all utilities and trash removal. Just sign the lease here and here, and could you just run down to the end of the block and back?

'Preciate it. Thanks."

Flint · 08-31-2006, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by footfootfoot

...Just sign the lease here and here, and could you just run down to the end of the block and back?...

:::actually laughed out loud:::

9th Engineer · 08-31-2006, 07:09 PM

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Who's gonna pick the fruit?

Simple, currently unemployed Americans. If we went one step furthing and started cutting benefits to the able-bodied unemployed (those who do not have a medically documented dehabilitating condition) you'd be amazed how many people come out of the woodwork.

9th Engineer · 08-31-2006, 07:11 PM

Employers will raise wages to attract workers if the alternative is having their crop rot in the field, they'll just put up a royal bitch-fest about it.

08-31-2006, 07:59 AM	#1
Spexxvet Makes some feel uncomfortable Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 10,346	Hazelton ans Riverside Hazelton, PA and Riverside, NJ have recently enacted laws that penalize those who knowingly rent to or employ illegal immigrants. There has been uproar from the Latino community, claiming the laws are racially motivated, and suits have been filed charging that the laws are unconstitutional. Are they? The laws don't single out "Latino illegal immigrants" to my knowledge. If they included ALL lawbreakers (penalize knowingly renting to/employing a robber or murderer) the new laws certainly couldn't be viewed as discriminatory, could they? Personnally, I think fewer illegals would come/stay here if there weren't jobs for them or places to live, and these types of laws would have a chilling effect on employers and landlords. I don't have a problem with foreigners wanting to be here, I just think if they want to be in America, they should become citizens and live up to all the obligations that come with citizenship. __________________ "I'm certainly free, nay compelled, to spread the gospel of Spex. " - xoxoxoBruce

08-31-2006, 09:54 AM	#2
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	Good for those towns. I'd love to see that in other communities. __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

08-31-2006, 10:53 AM	#3
9th Engineer Bioengineer and aspiring lawer Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Pittsburgh Posts: 872	Is there a link to that? I'd just love to hear their argument that this is somehow racially motivated. I'm been needing a good laugh since class started... __________________ The most valuable renewable resource is stupidity.

08-31-2006, 11:35 AM	#5
Spexxvet Makes some feel uncomfortable Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 10,346	Links: http://www.prldef.org/Civil/Hazelton...0immigrants%22 http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...082101484.html http://go.reuters.com/newsArticle.jh...rc=rss/topNews __________________ "I'm certainly free, nay compelled, to spread the gospel of Spex. " - xoxoxoBruce

08-31-2006, 12:09 PM	#7
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	What sort of ID is currently required when renting? Is it something that can prove legal residency? If not, will a landlord be asking for additional paperwork if a person 'seems illegal'? __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

08-31-2006, 10:59 AM	#4
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	Since rental property owners can't easily confirm whether someone is illegal, they'll just avoid making a problem for themselves by only renting to those "obviously from the area".

08-31-2006, 12:11 PM	#8
Spexxvet Makes some feel uncomfortable Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 10,346	I, _________________, swear that I am a legal resident of the USA. __________________ "I'm certainly free, nay compelled, to spread the gospel of Spex. " - xoxoxoBruce

08-31-2006, 07:11 PM	#15
9th Engineer Bioengineer and aspiring lawer Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Pittsburgh Posts: 872	Employers will raise wages to attract workers if the alternative is having their crop rot in the field, they'll just put up a royal bitch-fest about it. __________________ The most valuable renewable resource is stupidity.

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