musicians and friendships

skysidhe · 07-26-2006, 01:58 PM

When riding that wave of accomplishment and lust of great fame and fortune why do some musicians feel their common friends, the ones who were with them from the beginning are some how expendable in the their 'great design'. ??

I am saddened to see a friend appear to become a social climber. The logic I get is that it has to be that way in order to become famous, or great. As if feeling brotherly love for someone is a little distracting and gets in the way. I don't like the way this person is becomming.

I am sure all musicians arn't so jaded and think it's all about them?

Flint · 07-26-2006, 02:36 PM

Or maybe what they are doing is just alot of hard work. Maybe they are very busy and don't have as much time to spend on their personal life as before. Maybe it isn't the way they would prefer it to be, and you taking it the wrong way just adds insult to injury. Just a thought, there is always two sides.

xoxoxoBruce · 07-26-2006, 07:03 PM

Musicians have friends. Potential stars have only support groups, entourages.....resources.

skysidhe · 07-26-2006, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Flint

Or maybe what they are doing is just alot of hard work. Maybe they are very busy and don't have as much time to spend on their personal life as before. Maybe it isn't the way they would prefer it to be, and you taking it the wrong way just adds insult to injury. Just a thought, there is always two sides.

Yes it is alot of hard work. No, he prefers it that way and wants to work harder and I encourage him in his passion.He wants to become a star. well, of course and I would never begrudge him that. I have encouraged him every step of the way. I just don't want him to lose his inner self while he is morphing into this star. AND I really don't want to hurt him. He is a lovely soul and that is what I want to keep intact.

thanks Flint for the help

It made me feel better.

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Musicians have friends. Potential stars have only support groups, entourages.....resources.

You are so right. I'm talking about a young rising star with all of the last three in tow. You so you hit the nail on the head with that one AND made me smile at the same time.

[edit. even though it smarted like hell]

wolf · 07-27-2006, 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by skysidhe

He is a lovely soul and that is what I want to keep intact.

I'm afraid you're too late.

skysidhe · 07-27-2006, 01:58 AM

I am afraid I am ahead by a century.

well I just thought of a lyric.

You are ahead by a century
but this is our life
and disappointing you's gettin'
me down

by tth

yesman065 · 07-27-2006, 09:32 AM

Consider the "fair weather friends" concept here. Those who are tagging along while all is well in his world will most likely be gone at the first sight of difficulty, trouble or another star that is apparently rising a little faster or farther. Maybe at that time he'll realize who his true friends really are. I was never famous, but when things in my life got tough I certainly found out who my "True friends" were/are. Give him some time and hope that he too learns before he loses the true friend I think he has in you.

Flint · 07-27-2006, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by skysidhe

thanks Flint for the help

It made me feel better.

Damn, I was trying to gripe you out. (Just kidding, of course)

skysidhe · 07-27-2006, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Flint

Damn, I was trying to gripe you out. (Just kidding, of course)

oh suuure :p

I could never get gripped out about him. He was my poetry partner on AG. He has come to visit me twice. We are the best of friends I am just not up to his speed and probably distracting baggage now with nothing to offer. Just matronly advice.

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Originally Posted by yesmano65

Give him some time

I figure what goes up must come down. ? I hope.

[inner rant]
.....and my male relationships they end up dispising the emotional connection they have for me. Seems like that is the story of my life. Love me so much they hate me for it. I become an unwanted distraction or obligation. seems. On the fringe but never really completly loved without fear or hostility. Well only by my mom I guess. She loves me :p heh
( just thinking and wallowing)

skysidhe · 07-29-2006, 11:36 AM

update

we're ok ....but my question to musicians still stands.

Do/did you think it's all about you?

When did you stop playing music for the way it makes you feel and start playing it because it's going to make you famous one day?

How did you stay centered?

When did you realize you needed a 'real 'paying job? and did you get a real paying job ( lucrative) before or after a certain amount of success?

footfootfoot · 07-29-2006, 10:23 PM

"We only like musicians as friends"

skysidhe · 07-30-2006, 02:02 AM

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Originally Posted by footfootfoot

"We only like musicians as friends"

Never mind. Everyone's a comedian. * sigh* :p

I don't need to pick brains I guess.

limey · 08-03-2006, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by skysidhe

update

we're ok ....but my question to musicians still stands.

Do/did you think it's all about you?

When did you stop playing music for the way it makes you feel and start playing it because it's going to make you famous one day?

How did you stay centered?

When did you realize you needed a 'real 'paying job? and did you get a real paying job ( lucrative) before or after a certain amount of success?

Who do you define as "musician"? Only those that are paid for it?
"Music is far too important to be left to the professionals" (sorry, can't attribute the quote).

My observation is that a true musician will make music with and for anybody, while an amateur who thinks too highly of him/herself will say "I'm too good to waste my talents here" in some situations (given adequate free time and energy levels, that is ...) [ducks flames]

07-26-2006, 01:58 PM	#1
skysidhe ~~Life is either a daring adventure or nothing.~~ Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 6,828	musicians and friendships When riding that wave of accomplishment and lust of great fame and fortune why do some musicians feel their common friends, the ones who were with them from the beginning are some how expendable in the their 'great design'. ?? I am saddened to see a friend appear to become a social climber. The logic I get is that it has to be that way in order to become famous, or great. As if feeling brotherly love for someone is a little distracting and gets in the way. I don't like the way this person is becomming. I am sure all musicians arn't so jaded and think it's all about them?

07-26-2006, 02:36 PM	#2
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	Or maybe what they are doing is just alot of hard work. Maybe they are very busy and don't have as much time to spend on their personal life as before. Maybe it isn't the way they would prefer it to be, and you taking it the wrong way just adds insult to injury. Just a thought, there is always two sides. __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

07-26-2006, 07:03 PM	#3
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Musicians have friends. Potential stars have only support groups, entourages.....resources. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

07-29-2006, 10:23 PM	#11
footfootfoot To shreds, you say? Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: in the house and on the street-how many, many feet we meet! Posts: 18,449	"We only like musicians as friends" __________________ The internet is a hateful stew of vomit you can never take completely seriously. - Her Fobs

07-27-2006, 01:58 AM	#6
skysidhe ~~Life is either a daring adventure or nothing.~~ Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 6,828	I am afraid I am ahead by a century. well I just thought of a lyric. You are ahead by a century but this is our life and disappointing you's gettin' me down by tth

07-27-2006, 09:32 AM	#7
yesman065 Banned - Self Imposed Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 1,847	Consider the "fair weather friends" concept here. Those who are tagging along while all is well in his world will most likely be gone at the first sight of difficulty, trouble or another star that is apparently rising a little faster or farther. Maybe at that time he'll realize who his true friends really are. I was never famous, but when things in my life got tough I certainly found out who my "True friends" were/are. Give him some time and hope that he too learns before he loses the true friend I think he has in you.

07-29-2006, 11:36 AM	#10
skysidhe ~~Life is either a daring adventure or nothing.~~ Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 6,828	update we're ok ....but my question to musicians still stands. Do/did you think it's all about you? When did you stop playing music for the way it makes you feel and start playing it because it's going to make you famous one day? How did you stay centered? When did you realize you needed a 'real 'paying job? and did you get a real paying job ( lucrative) before or after a certain amount of success?

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