David Hicks to be brought home?

Aliantha · 02-11-2007, 01:54 AM

After 5 years in Gitmo, it seems the Australian government is finally going to stand up to the US over their failure to charge David Hicks with any crime.

It's about time Howard finally grew some balls and voiced the opinion most of us have held for years now over this issue; that unless the US intends to formally charge the man with a crime, he should be brought home.

xoxoxoBruce · 02-11-2007, 04:28 PM

They should have charged him or killed him long ago.

DanaC · 02-11-2007, 05:06 PM

Yup. Trust me the English are none too pleased at the fact a number of our citizens were held without charge for years in Gitmo.

Aliantha · 02-11-2007, 10:42 PM

Well if they were going to charge him then yes they should have.

I don't know if he's innocent or guilty, but the lack of action is inexcusible. Anyway, it looks like they're charging him now. The death penalty is not an option and he will be serving his sentance in Australia, if he's found guilty.

Beestie · 02-12-2007, 03:42 AM

So after five years, the United States Government is finally going to charge the man for a crime.

Let it therefore be decreed that the process of manufacturing evidence does not, in fact, follow Moore's Law.

xoxoxoBruce · 02-12-2007, 04:04 AM

He'll be able to tell his grandchildren he was successful. He went looking for trouble and found it.

Sun_Sparkz · 02-12-2007, 04:06 AM

how could you not know what you were training for for gods sake. nice people just dont get caught up in that shit. dont bring him back here.

tw · 02-12-2007, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Sun_Sparkz

how could you not know what you were training for for gods sake. nice people just dont get caught up in that shit. dont bring him back here.

It's called mercenary training. Private military personal are trained all over the world every day. Young kids are easily recruited for mercenary or private armies with the expectation of adventure - ie the Spanish Civil War and the Abraham Lincoln brigade. Why is his situation any different?

Undertoad · 02-13-2007, 09:00 AM

Young kids are easily recruited for mercentary or private armies with the expectation of adventure - ie the Crips and the Bloods and LA gang warfare. Why is his situation any different?

Flint · 02-13-2007, 09:04 AM

Young kids are easily recruited for mercentary or private armies with the expectation of adventure - ie the Quicky Mart is really . . . d'oh!

Aliantha · 02-13-2007, 06:28 PM

There's some good points here. I hope they move along with the process for Hicks, however it seems they may take up to a year more to bring him to trial, even if the charges are to be laid imminently.

Hagar · 02-16-2007, 01:31 AM

5 years without trial is out of order, no matter what he's done. There's no doubt he's an idiot, it needs to be determined just how dangerous an idiot he is.

The detailled allegations released today against Hicks are pretty scary, but the inaction from the government is terrifying.

I knew a couple of guys at school who could well have turned out like Hicks; gun nuts, joined the Army Cadets as soon as they were able and talked about going shooting on the weekends, they thought Tour of Duty was the best thing on TV...

tw · 02-16-2007, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Hagar

There's no doubt he's an idiot, it needs to be determined just how dangerous an idiot he is.

UT has benchmarked him:

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ie the Crips and the Bloods and LA gang warfare.

So was he a really dangerous gang member or just another street hustler? Five years, prison, torture, and they still don't know. Welcome to what happens when people like Urbane Guerrilla come to power. UG even calls himself a libertarian - like George Jr would sacrifice his legacy for America.

Kingswood · 02-27-2007, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Aliantha

After 5 years in Gitmo, it seems the Australian government is finally going to stand up to the US over their failure to charge David Hicks with any crime.

It's about time Howard finally grew some balls and voiced the opinion most of us have held for years now over this issue; that unless the US intends to formally charge the man with a crime, he should be brought home.

Well of course something is going to happen. It's an election year in Oz. You can be damn sure Howard doesn't want that sort of issue to be still on the agenda when he goes to an election that he will find difficult to win as it is.

Aliantha · 03-01-2007, 12:12 AM

Surely the average voter is not going to give Howard kudos for this regardless of whether he actually does something or not.

Aren't they going to say, it's about fucking time???

My point is, if a voter is going to swing for just one issue, I'd say they've already swung the other way thanks to Mr Rudd not doing anything wrong, which is really all he has to keep doing.

02-11-2007, 01:54 AM	#1
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	David Hicks to be brought home? After 5 years in Gitmo, it seems the Australian government is finally going to stand up to the US over their failure to charge David Hicks with any crime. It's about time Howard finally grew some balls and voiced the opinion most of us have held for years now over this issue; that unless the US intends to formally charge the man with a crime, he should be brought home. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

02-11-2007, 04:28 PM	#2
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	They should have charged him or killed him long ago. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

02-11-2007, 10:42 PM	#4
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	Well if they were going to charge him then yes they should have. I don't know if he's innocent or guilty, but the lack of action is inexcusible. Anyway, it looks like they're charging him now. The death penalty is not an option and he will be serving his sentance in Australia, if he's found guilty. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

02-12-2007, 03:42 AM	#5
Beestie -◊\|≡·∙■·∙≡\|◊- Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Parts unknown. Posts: 4,081	So after five years, the United States Government is finally going to charge the man for a crime. Let it therefore be decreed that the process of manufacturing evidence does not, in fact, follow Moore's Law. __________________ ♠ ♥ ♣ ♦

02-12-2007, 04:04 AM	#6
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	He'll be able to tell his grandchildren he was successful. He went looking for trouble and found it. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

02-11-2007, 05:06 PM	#3
DanaC We have to go back, Kate! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 25,964	Yup. Trust me the English are none too pleased at the fact a number of our citizens were held without charge for years in Gitmo.

02-12-2007, 04:06 AM	#7
Sun_Sparkz Has Body Temperature Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: I come from a land downunder Posts: 1,105	how could you not know what you were training for for gods sake. nice people just dont get caught up in that shit. dont bring him back here. __________________ We'll never be as young as we are right now

02-13-2007, 09:00 AM	#9
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	Young kids are easily recruited for mercentary or private armies with the expectation of adventure - ie the Crips and the Bloods and LA gang warfare. Why is his situation any different?

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02-13-2007, 06:28 PM	#11
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	There's some good points here. I hope they move along with the process for Hicks, however it seems they may take up to a year more to bring him to trial, even if the charges are to be laid imminently. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

02-16-2007, 01:31 AM	#12
Hagar Master of the Domain Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 220	5 years without trial is out of order, no matter what he's done. There's no doubt he's an idiot, it needs to be determined just how dangerous an idiot he is. The detailled allegations released today against Hicks are pretty scary, but the inaction from the government is terrifying. I knew a couple of guys at school who could well have turned out like Hicks; gun nuts, joined the Army Cadets as soon as they were able and talked about going shooting on the weekends, they thought Tour of Duty was the best thing on TV...

03-01-2007, 12:12 AM	#15
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	Surely the average voter is not going to give Howard kudos for this regardless of whether he actually does something or not. Aren't they going to say, it's about fucking time??? My point is, if a voter is going to swing for just one issue, I'd say they've already swung the other way thanks to Mr Rudd not doing anything wrong, which is really all he has to keep doing. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

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