Global Warming Poll

Aliantha · 04-27-2009, 12:07 AM

Just for interest sake, let's see who thinks we're responsible and who doesn't...once and for all.

ZenGum · 05-01-2009, 01:33 AM

I feel sorry for one-post threads, so here I am to keep you company.

I am not completely happy with the options but I picked the one closest to my views.

I would like to vote for:

While climate does normally vary, current human activities (including, but not limited to, release of fossilised carbon) are affecting the system and are pushing it well outside the normal, natural range of variation.

And, this is very likely to be significantly to our detriment.

But, this is only one of several serious ways in which we are shitting in our own nest, and I guess others are going to bite us hard before the climate gets to us. In no particular order: resource depletion such as over fishing, deforestation, soil degradation, overuse of water; pollution of many varieties but mostly of air and water; the greying of our population; the massive debt of most world economies; the increasing brittleness of the web which nurtures us (eg just in time delivery of food and energy supplies, etc).

I try not to think about this shit too much. It can be very depressing. I do what I can, but that isn't much.

Aliantha · 05-01-2009, 09:18 PM

Well gee thanks for the post Zen. It was mainly for the poll though, and plenty of people have responded to that. I made the answers visible so that we can all get a clearer idea of people's perspective during political debates. It was mostly because to me, some people seem to get into arguments about the semantics of the issue even though they're really arguing from the same position.

Lately it's like a debating team turning on itself with regard to global warming debates around here. A bit frustrating.

Aliantha · 05-01-2009, 09:20 PM

Oh and you're right. It is depressing to think about how much we've buggered up our environment. Virtually every aspect of it.

xoxoxoBruce · 05-01-2009, 11:06 PM

What do you mean "we".

ZenGum · 05-02-2009, 09:33 AM

Its a polite way of saying YOU, great Satan American! :p

Trilby · 05-02-2009, 10:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZenGum

Its a polite way of saying YOU, great Satan American! :p

Finally! Some recognition!

xoxoxoBruce · 05-02-2009, 01:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZenGum

Its a polite way of saying YOU, great Satan American! :p

And don't you forget it, worm.

TheMercenary · 05-02-2009, 01:30 PM

Aliantha · 05-03-2009, 01:57 AM

I meant mankind. I don't think Satan has anything to do with it...specially since he's fictional.

LabRat · 05-03-2009, 09:45 AM

IMHO we are speeding up a natural cycle. That's all I have to say about that.[/Gump]

sugarpop · 05-06-2009, 04:56 PM

I think the following two answers are saying pretty much the same thing...

We're partially responsible, but it's natural anyway AND
We're making it happen quicker

The second one implies it's natural but we're making it happen quicker, the first one implies we're making it happen quicker even though it's natural.

Either way, we need to try and fix it, and for reasons other than the apparent ones, like all the health issues.

piercehawkeye45 · 05-06-2009, 05:38 PM

You can't really fix it. The Earth has an equilibrium and by changing the carbon cycle we putting the Earth's natural carbon cycle out of equilibrium. We cannot do anything about it besides wait unless we literally take the CO2 from the atmosphere and place it miles underneath the surface. The cycle will go back to normal but it will take possibly hundred of thousands of years.

sugarpop · 05-06-2009, 05:54 PM

We can slow it down by choosing technologies that don't exacerbate the problem even more.

piercehawkeye45 · 05-06-2009, 06:01 PM

Yes, but there is no practical way to undue what has already happened.

View Poll Results: Is it our fault the climate is changing?
No - it's a natural course of events	6	15.79%
Yes - it's all our fault	7	18.42%
We're partially responsible, but it's natural anyway	13	34.21%
We're making it happen quicker	7	18.42%
There's not enough evidence either way to tell	5	13.16%
I can't make up my mind	0	0%
Voters: 38. You may not vote on this poll

04-27-2009, 12:07 AM	#1
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	Global Warming Poll Just for interest sake, let's see who thinks we're responsible and who doesn't...once and for all. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

05-01-2009, 01:33 AM	#2
ZenGum Doctor Wtf Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Badelaide, Baustralia Posts: 12,861	I feel sorry for one-post threads, so here I am to keep you company. I am not completely happy with the options but I picked the one closest to my views. I would like to vote for: While climate does normally vary, current human activities (including, but not limited to, release of fossilised carbon) are affecting the system and are pushing it well outside the normal, natural range of variation. And, this is very likely to be significantly to our detriment. But, this is only one of several serious ways in which we are shitting in our own nest, and I guess others are going to bite us hard before the climate gets to us. In no particular order: resource depletion such as over fishing, deforestation, soil degradation, overuse of water; pollution of many varieties but mostly of air and water; the greying of our population; the massive debt of most world economies; the increasing brittleness of the web which nurtures us (eg just in time delivery of food and energy supplies, etc). I try not to think about this shit too much. It can be very depressing. I do what I can, but that isn't much. __________________ Shut up and hug. MoreThanPretty, Nov 5, 2008. Just because I'm nominally polite, does not make me a pussy. Sundae Girl.

05-01-2009, 09:18 PM	#3
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	Well gee thanks for the post Zen. It was mainly for the poll though, and plenty of people have responded to that. I made the answers visible so that we can all get a clearer idea of people's perspective during political debates. It was mostly because to me, some people seem to get into arguments about the semantics of the issue even though they're really arguing from the same position. Lately it's like a debating team turning on itself with regard to global warming debates around here. A bit frustrating. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

05-01-2009, 09:20 PM	#4
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	Oh and you're right. It is depressing to think about how much we've buggered up our environment. Virtually every aspect of it. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

05-01-2009, 11:06 PM	#5
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	What do you mean "we". __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

05-02-2009, 09:33 AM	#6
ZenGum Doctor Wtf Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Badelaide, Baustralia Posts: 12,861	Its a polite way of saying YOU, great Satan American! :p __________________ Shut up and hug. MoreThanPretty, Nov 5, 2008. Just because I'm nominally polite, does not make me a pussy. Sundae Girl.

05-02-2009, 01:30 PM	#9
TheMercenary “Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo” Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Savannah, Georgia Posts: 21,393	__________________ Anyone but the this most fuked up President in History in 2012!

05-03-2009, 01:57 AM	#10
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	I meant mankind. I don't think Satan has anything to do with it...specially since he's fictional. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

05-03-2009, 09:45 AM	#11
LabRat twatfaced two legged bumhole Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 3,143	IMHO we are speeding up a natural cycle. That's all I have to say about that.[/Gump] __________________ Strength does not come from how much weight you can lift, or how many miles you can run. It comes from knowing that you set a goal, and rose to the challenge. Strength comes from within.

05-06-2009, 04:56 PM	#12
sugarpop Professor Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: the edge of the abyss Posts: 1,947	I think the following two answers are saying pretty much the same thing... We're partially responsible, but it's natural anyway AND We're making it happen quicker The second one implies it's natural but we're making it happen quicker, the first one implies we're making it happen quicker even though it's natural. Either way, we need to try and fix it, and for reasons other than the apparent ones, like all the health issues.

05-06-2009, 05:38 PM	#13
piercehawkeye45 Franklin Pierce Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,695	You can't really fix it. The Earth has an equilibrium and by changing the carbon cycle we putting the Earth's natural carbon cycle out of equilibrium. We cannot do anything about it besides wait unless we literally take the CO2 from the atmosphere and place it miles underneath the surface. The cycle will go back to normal but it will take possibly hundred of thousands of years. __________________ I like my perspectives like I like my baseball caps: one size fits all.

05-06-2009, 05:54 PM	#14
sugarpop Professor Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: the edge of the abyss Posts: 1,947	We can slow it down by choosing technologies that don't exacerbate the problem even more.

05-06-2009, 06:01 PM	#15
piercehawkeye45 Franklin Pierce Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,695	Yes, but there is no practical way to undue what has already happened. __________________ I like my perspectives like I like my baseball caps: one size fits all.

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