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03-30-2002, 12:44 AM | #1 |
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I don't normally do this, but I'm pissed...
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03-30-2002, 04:14 AM | #2 |
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wtf are you on about?
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03-30-2002, 07:04 AM | #3 |
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Well. That's a picture.
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03-30-2002, 12:36 PM | #4 |
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<b>jag</b>, all I'm saying is the Jews are finally striking back after 3000 years of getting fucked over, and I applaud the fact.
The UN can kiss my ass, too. They, like yourself apparently, don't seem to understand that living in constant fear of having yourself and your family senselessly blown to bits without warning, for no other reason than being in the wrong place at the wrong time, is <i>not a good thing</i>. Arafat talks peace, but his true colors come out his ass. He's lucky he's still alive. Suppose the Native Americans rose up and decided to take back 'their' land through violence and terrorism. What do you think our government's response would be? And the Palestinians are practically as far removed from ownership of the land as the Native Americans are. One might even make the case that the Jews were there first, until the Diaspora. Remember what the Crusades were all about? They weren't trying to liberate the Holy Land from the <i>Jews</i>. |
03-30-2002, 12:58 PM | #5 |
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I waver on this stuff constantly. I have no idea who's exactly right and who's exactly wrong.
I can only think what might come of unifying religious dissent, racial dissent, and a few really screwed-up governments. The free world seems to manage to keep those things separate... But watching CNN's NewsNight last night, I noticed something subtle. There was a virtual debate over satellite with an Israeli spokesperson debating a Palestinian spokesperson, with Connie Chung navigating between them. I felt that the Israeli guy had a few good points. Then he went off about how the Palestinian struggle is without poets, authors, thinkers and such, unlike noble revolutions of the past. While both sides typically stayed to their points that their side is the right kind of violence in reaction to other types of violence, this statement was thinly-veiled racism, I think. He's really saying <i>What kind of a crappy culture are you guys?</i> I heard Sharon's statement about a week ago and noticed something similar in it. He took a lot of time in his statement to note Israel's contributions to the world. He went on about how Israel has developed this and that... it seemed quite out of context. On one hand it could be considered a defensive statement about Israel's right to survive. On the other hand it called into question why the other nations have not made similar progress. And that, it seems, is the real root of the problem. The Arabic countries want to believe in their own superiority -- a racial superiority. But when you stop and look around, you see an entire culture that has not kept pace with the west; consistently less productive, even though they sit on the huge riches in the oil of the world. The Israelis also want to believe in their own superiority, but if they're only judged on their military exploits... OK, economists could easily explain why those countries are less advanced. They aren't free. Freedom encourages economic activity and produces riches. The obvious example came out here a few months ago: they keep their women subservient. 50% of their population cannot learn, work, or generally be as productive. One other thing on yesterday's NewsNight really blew me away. They showed the news coverage of the events of the last two days as shown on Israeli TV and on Egyptian TV. In Egypt, the top story was the attack on Arafat, and it was spun this way: <i>The US Government has given Israel the green light to move in on Arafat.</i> This statement was made at least three times. Yes, there is no Indymedia in Egypt. |
03-30-2002, 01:53 PM | #6 | |||
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It's hardly accurate to say "the Jews are finally striking back". Israel has been striking for its entire 54 years. Period. I am generally an Israeli sympathizer. But the attack on Arafat's compound makes little sense. Look at it this way: Israel is demanding that Arafat "rein in militants". Then they go blow up his police stations. Yes, that makes perfect sense. Let's kill all his police, so he can arrest militants. Let's not forget that Israel struck first in the 1967 war and claimed the Sinai, Gaza Strip, West Bank and Golan Heights (From Egypt, Jordan and Syria, respectively). That is, of course, a little mentioned fact. It's always spun that Israel was under attack - ummmm, no. Israel thought it was going to be attacked and they hit first. They also happened to win because of US backing. They continue to win because of US backing. Israel is practically the 51st state. It might as well be. Attacking Arafat is symbolic and serves only one purpose - to destroy his government so he is not able to function. Sharon does not want peace. Neither does Netanyahu, who is even scarier than Sharon. Both are extremists, just like those in the far-right Arab camp (Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Hezbollah, Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades, Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine, ...., etc). Israel does not go after the leader of Hamas. They hardly ever target decision makers in the big organizations. They go after the lower people. Why? Because it's not in their best interest. 30 casualties in a few days is an acceptable loss to Israel because they have so much to gain - the world's sympathy and a permanent "right" to the occupied lands, namely. All that having been said, I believe that Israel shows incredible restraint. They don't round up Palestinian civilians and off them. But they end up killing them inadvertently anyway. Quote:
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The fact of the matter is that there are extremists on both sides. It's Sharon vs Hamas and Islamic Jihad and Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades. Don't get to thinking that Israel is an innocent little country that keeps getting attacked - they have their fare share of atrocities in their closet too. The attacks on Arafat's headquarters are hardly warranted and make no sense at all. They are meant simply to provoke the Palestinians, so Sharon can says "see? Look! They're attacking us again! We need to strike back harder!" - that way, he can eliminate the Palestinians with no questions asked. It's people like you that, by turning a blind eye to his atrocities, give him the power to perform genocide. |
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I'm not saying the Israelis are saints, but they've put with far more shit than I would have. Does that make me a genocidal tyrant? |
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And the ironcy of "no more nazi shit" after rounding up entiure populations of male palastinians and writing number on tiehr arms in tangible.
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03-30-2002, 10:08 PM | #9 |
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US response stupid; Israel unconvincing
The US says that Arafat should do more to stop the bombings.
Hello? Arafat is holed up in a little bunker with nothing but an (obviously interceptable) mobile phone. Whether he's responsible or not, there's not a damn thing he can do. Israel, OTOH, says they don't intend to kill Arafat but they do want to isolate him (fat lot of good it's doing). But they've cut off his water... are they afraid he'll swim out? IMO, the people behind the latest wave of suicide bombings are probably sitting on their asses somewhere in Syria, lying back and enjoying the show. Israel is going after Arafat not because they think he's responsible (if he is, it's only by orders he gave out long ago), but because he's available. |
03-31-2002, 12:37 AM | #10 |
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A few thoughts:
--What is Arafat to do now? Cry "uncle?" Just what did bombing his compound do for Israeli peace and security? --The Arabs have been in the Middle East for about as long as the Jews. Both have reasonably equal claims to the area. The Arabs have not had it easy themselves--the Ottomans, European administration, and Zionism. --Israel plays word games with the concept of "right of return" for Palestinian refugees. --Both are equally guilty of being stupid. Therefore, I'm suggesting a battle royale, winner take all, PPV event. Sharon vs. Arafat: The Final Battle If Arafat wins, the Israelis leave the settlements in Gaza and the West Bank, give the Palestinians their state, allow refugees the right to return or be compensated for their losses, and the Golan Heights goes back to Syria. If Sharon wins, Israel gets to keep the occupied territories, the Palestinians can choose to stay or go to another Arab country, get no money, and the Arab world must normalize relations with Israel. All proceeds from the sale of the PPV go to the winner. Last edited by elSicomoro; 03-31-2002 at 01:18 AM. |
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*sigh* Why cant all politics be that easy?
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03-31-2002, 05:17 PM | #12 |
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The only real problem is...just what type of battle do you use? Wrestling? Boxing? Arm wrestling? Are weapons allowed?
There have to be two immediate conditions though: --Absolutely NO US interference. No assistance in weapons, money, or training. --Hold the match in Sweden or Switzerland, for the sake of neutrality. |
03-31-2002, 08:26 PM | #13 |
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Well, seeing as Arafat is an old fart, and Ariel Sharon isnt much better, I say we either go with Sockem Boppers or drunken boxing. But it would be funny to see two old guys go at it trying to senslessly beat the piss out of each other with their canes. heh heh......
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We can all watch the overhead satellite imagery as Arafat feverishly tries to fabricate a blunderbuss out of a hollow log and some rocks... while Sharon closes in on him with an obsidian knife... WHO will emerge victorious? |
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04-01-2002, 08:47 AM | #15 |
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Except that we're backwards in technology, as the original show's crew seemed to have a full-edited cut of the fight to watch from the ship.
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