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Snakeadelic · 04-07-2017, 08:02 AM

I've kept both of the species in the "Ratsnakes" pic! The left is a Four-Lined Rat Snake, a species I always found to be twitchy and nippy. The right is a Miami phase Corn Snake; my heart pet was an Okeetee Corn Snake, which is not a separate species. The colors differ, though--Okeetees, which are native to a small area of North Carolina, are vivid orange with red-orange saddles. The only snake I have now is a 17-year-old snow morph Corn. Snows are lacking 2 of the 3 pigments found in the species, which are red, black, and yellow. Snows have only the yellow, although they still appear saddle-patterned because of differences in scale structure making them look white with pink in place of black.

I'd keep a Kingsnake someday, maybe, if it was the right kind AND I had no other snakes. Kings are absolute terrors in mixed-species collections. I've read SO MANY stories that boil down to "I came home from work and my $50 California Kingsnake got loose and ate my $300 rare morph (any other snake)." My choice would of species would probably be Sinaloan (red with skinny black-bordered white rings around the body), Gray-Banded, or Mexican Black (starts out with red, black, and white markings, gradually darkens to solid black with maturity).

Also, so far as I'm aware, it is NOT a myth that California and other western US Kingsnake species are resistant--though not completely immune--to rattlesnake venom. Many Kingsnakes preferentially hunt and eat other snakes in the wild, rattlers included. That neat tidy coil arrangement works really well, especially if it's opened up a little between each coil, for throttling other snakes!

Snakes eating snakes happens all over the world, though a surprisingly few nature nuts seem to realize this. Heck, one of the scariest snakes in the world is Ophiophagus hannah, and the first half of that Latin name is "Ophio" (snake) + "phagus" (eater of something specific).

Here's O. hannah in the process of snacking on a ball python.

https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8047/8...07a27ae3_b.jpg

And if you can't quite place the face, here's one being its usual enormous, highly venomous, generally terrifying self:

http://tinyurl.com/mvenehm

I'm not sure how a Kingsnake would stack up against O. hannah, the King Cobra, mostly because Kingsnakes (genus Lampropeltis) are adapted to deal with rattlesnake venom, which is hemotoxic--it destroys tissue and travels in the bloodstream. Cobras belong to the Elapid family, which also includes many Australian natives and some if not most sea snakes, and cobras have neurotoxic venom--it shuts down electrical impulses and although it can travel via the bloodstream it does the most damage by also being able to hitchhike nerve tissue. Once upon a time in the 1980s, one of the world's premiere cobra experts--who had the huge occupational hazard of being allergic to anti-venom--got bitten by a king cobra during an interview, while he was attempting to milk it for venom to produce anti-venom with. It grabbed his middle finger, he whipped around right in front of the interviewer, grabbed a knife, and took off his own finger at the hand joint before the snake even thought about letting go. Still died in the ambulance due to respiratory arrest caused by the venom. Some neurotoxic venom can be overcome if the bite victim is kept on respiratory support until the body processes the venom out, but those are rare cases.

And yeah, I love babbling about snakes. And of course yes I love snakes.

04-07-2017, 08:02 AM	#2
Snakeadelic Banned Join Date: May 2015 Posts: 660	I've kept both of the species in the "Ratsnakes" pic! The left is a Four-Lined Rat Snake, a species I always found to be twitchy and nippy. The right is a Miami phase Corn Snake; my heart pet was an Okeetee Corn Snake, which is not a separate species. The colors differ, though--Okeetees, which are native to a small area of North Carolina, are vivid orange with red-orange saddles. The only snake I have now is a 17-year-old snow morph Corn. Snows are lacking 2 of the 3 pigments found in the species, which are red, black, and yellow. Snows have only the yellow, although they still appear saddle-patterned because of differences in scale structure making them look white with pink in place of black. I'd keep a Kingsnake someday, maybe, if it was the right kind AND I had no other snakes. Kings are absolute terrors in mixed-species collections. I've read SO MANY stories that boil down to "I came home from work and my $50 California Kingsnake got loose and ate my $300 rare morph (any other snake)." My choice would of species would probably be Sinaloan (red with skinny black-bordered white rings around the body), Gray-Banded, or Mexican Black (starts out with red, black, and white markings, gradually darkens to solid black with maturity). Also, so far as I'm aware, it is NOT a myth that California and other western US Kingsnake species are resistant--though not completely immune--to rattlesnake venom. Many Kingsnakes preferentially hunt and eat other snakes in the wild, rattlers included. That neat tidy coil arrangement works really well, especially if it's opened up a little between each coil, for throttling other snakes! Snakes eating snakes happens all over the world, though a surprisingly few nature nuts seem to realize this. Heck, one of the scariest snakes in the world is Ophiophagus hannah, and the first half of that Latin name is "Ophio" (snake) + "phagus" (eater of something specific). Here's O. hannah in the process of snacking on a ball python. https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8047/8...07a27ae3_b.jpg And if you can't quite place the face, here's one being its usual enormous, highly venomous, generally terrifying self: http://tinyurl.com/mvenehm I'm not sure how a Kingsnake would stack up against O. hannah, the King Cobra, mostly because Kingsnakes (genus Lampropeltis) are adapted to deal with rattlesnake venom, which is hemotoxic--it destroys tissue and travels in the bloodstream. Cobras belong to the Elapid family, which also includes many Australian natives and some if not most sea snakes, and cobras have neurotoxic venom--it shuts down electrical impulses and although it can travel via the bloodstream it does the most damage by also being able to hitchhike nerve tissue. Once upon a time in the 1980s, one of the world's premiere cobra experts--who had the huge occupational hazard of being allergic to anti-venom--got bitten by a king cobra during an interview, while he was attempting to milk it for venom to produce anti-venom with. It grabbed his middle finger, he whipped around right in front of the interviewer, grabbed a knife, and took off his own finger at the hand joint before the snake even thought about letting go. Still died in the ambulance due to respiratory arrest caused by the venom. Some neurotoxic venom can be overcome if the bite victim is kept on respiratory support until the body processes the venom out, but those are rare cases. And yeah, I love babbling about snakes. And of course yes I love snakes.