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Originally Posted by chronos
I've been a consultant for years and I've gone into hundreds of environments where I've been stunned that they still run with how badly they've been engineered and patched together. At first I blamed the management for not authorizing the efforts needed to fix everything. I've since learned that it is so easy to come in after the fact and say how things SHOULD have been done to deal with the current situation. This view doesn't take into account the growth and demands every step along the way. People make the best decisions they can with the information AND funding they have. As they grow to meet larger demands they add things piecemeal which adds to the hodgepodge nature of the environment.
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Originally Posted by dar512
Do you really think that the people of NO would have been willing to raise their taxes in order to pay for better protection from the storm and the sea? Shoot. You can't even get people to pay for local school bonds to keep their schools in repair. "People get the government they deserve."
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Both quotes invent straw men; reply to things neither posted nor relevant to this thread. At no place or at no time did anyone suggest making New Orleans a category 5 city. In fact the US Army Corp of Engineer in charge of those levees said they only built those levees, intentionally, to withstand a category 3 storm. The levees are what they were intended to be. How then does chronos and dar512 change this into "installing Category 5 protection for New Orleans"?
New Orleans, whether due to 'hodge podge' engineering or due to superior design, was only rated for a Category 3 storm. A point that will be repeated because so many posters did not grasp it. Katrina was a Cat 5 storm. It was known to be a Cat 5 storm days previously, it was a very large storm (about 400 miles diameter), it was approaching slowly and as predicted, and it was coming right at New Orleans. So where did anyone say anything about fixing the levees? A cat 5 storm striking a cat 3 city does not even require an IQ of 80 to comprehend. The levees would fail. No one should have been in that town. And yet the number of cars now underwater demonstrates how many people still did not leave. People died because the family decision maker did not get everyone in the car and get "the hell out of Dodge". The person whose job is not to be in denial, instead, did not do his job. Did not make what was an obvious decision.
Furthermore, city and state officials response, knowing full well that it was a cat 5 storm, was to even not evacuate the prison.
Meanwhile, in an interview with a person who did a disaster study for this situation, it was well known that many people would not have transportation to get out of Dodge. So where were the lines of buses days previously to remove those people? Americans whose job it was to not be in denial were, apparently, in so much denial as to even leave all prisoners - many hundreds - maybe thousands - in the prison!
You tell me where this is representative of being responsible. No one suggested even for one minute that the levees should be fixed. That is a classic example of reading for what one wants to see. Let me make it woefully clearer. This city was only protected for a category 3 storm. Katrina was a category 5. Why will it take a week to rescue everyone? Why will people die from dehydration on their own roofs? Why are people who should be evacuated from hospitals, instead, may die. Too many people stayed when even government officials, by their actions, did not take Katrina seriously. Now there are not enough rescue people and machines to save all those lives.
I have pity on the poor Director of FEMA. Even his boss can't grasp a basic fact. George Jr today said that no one expected the levees to fail. Bullshit, dic licking, mother raper, ass hole. Do we let the President of the United State be that cunt licking dumb? Yes. How does the director of FEMA do his job when even his own boss is that pathetically naive. Everyone ... everyone ... everyone knew a category 5 storm was going to breach the levees. Everyone with minimal intelligence.
There is no way around that fact. Katrina was a Category 5 storm threatening a city was only intended to survive a Cat 3 storm. Why did city officials act in denial? Therein lies proof, again, of the well proven concept: 85% of all problems are directly traceable to top management. Even George Jr is in denial days after the disaster.
Who voted for these people?