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Originally posted by Tobiasly
I bet this is the argument a lot of people who were against abolishing slavery must have made. "A lot of masters are nice to their slaves. They give them a place to live, food and water...
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Slaves, for the most part, wanted their freedom. They did not want their freedom because northerners assumed they must want freedom. Iraqis, for the most part, did not want to be invaded by Americans. But Dave says they wanted to be liberated only because he assumes they 'must' want to be liberated. Dave's bias proves nothing. Which is why the 'slave argument' is irrelevant.
If Iraqis so hated Saddam, then where were the millions celebrating liberation in the streets? If Iraqis so hated Saddam, then Saddam could not hide in Iraq. Those are facts not from Dave's biases. Outside of some holligans, there was little celebration because Iraqis were not ready to be liberated. Dave assumed they wanted Saddam out only because he rationalizes they 'must' want Saddam out and they 'must' want freedom of speech.
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Bottom line is that Iraqis more want what they once had under Saddam. Security, jobs, and basic services are more important to Iraqis than freedom of speech and no Saddam in their text books. And what did we not provide? Electricty for up to 6 months. Jobs for unemployed army troops - who could have been providing the security and restoring basic services. And security. As far as Iraqis are concerned, each bombing is just another reason to blame Americans.
Tonight on PBS Newshour, what does every Iraqi say they want? Number one want in Iraq is "Security". What did America not provide for half a year in Iraq? Security. Too few troops. No plans. Then we made it even worse by disbanning all soldiers and police. Now Iraqis are suffering from something that they never knew - *kidnappings*. One family has lost both kids for a second time in three months! Kidnapping never happened in Iraq until the Americans liberated crime! It does not matter what Dave thinks. This is want Iraqis see. They don't like what America has forced on them.
How many major crime cops are in Baghdad? 42. Only forty two for a city the size of LA; swamped in major crime. Even worse, they can't recruit more cops. Only recently were they able to recruit most of the cops they have. Iraqis did not trust Americans who did not even provide security. Reporters from all news services are reporting same. Even kidnapping is all but legal because there is no law enforcement - thanks to Americans.
One American checkpoint recently found a car containing kidnapped kids and returned them home. That family that lost their kids again - the kids escaped their kidnappers the first time. No law enforcement provided assistance.
More than freedom to speak - they want security and jobs. They first want what Saddam provided them. That means a volatile, simmering pot. Many more guard and reserves will be called up and sent to Iraq. It is why Tobiasly cannot come home. We have the mess that a year long State Dept study predicted.
Tobiasly is going right where Iraq could change. If that Shite region of Najaf and Karabala were to follow what Shite religious leaders are calling for, then that region also could get hot. Currently the region south of Baghdad has been extremely tranquile and calm. Should that change, then America has serious trouble in Iraq.
Hope the best for Tobiasly. He is probably going where the future of Iraq may be decided. He may know long before any of us which way the winds will bow. Should the Shities rise up like the Sunnis are starting, then it will be bad news for Tobiasly - and us.
$40,000 per Iraqi to liberate people who did not want to be liberated. It is why Saddam cannot be found. A nation must be long beyond wanting to be liberated before it is safe to liberate. Did we not learn from Somolia?