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Old 03-10-2004, 03:39 PM   #37
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Originally posted by Fireman
So please just sit back and understand that I am here for my beleifs that people should live a better life, rather than "serve" a man that lets his people starve in the streets.
If that really was your position, then you were appauled if not outrightly angery that Reagan attacked Muslims in Lebanon first with A-6s and then with the USS New Jersey. Basic historical education says that premature use of military force only compromises US positions throughout that entire part of the world AND makes Americans a target of terrorism. Radar has accurately demonstrated same having first learned history.

In days before the 250+ Marines were attacked in Beriut, Americans could walk among all combatants because, like the Swiss, we were honest brokers. Only those who read Daily News or don't read news at all did not understand this. Some shameful aspects of American history are when we choose, like extremist militants, to solve problems only because we preceived a great threat that never existed. VietNam is the classic example of shameful military policy only because we 'feared' before we 'understood'.

By admission, you are not a great student of history. You see enemies on our borders if we don't maintain a military larger than the entire world combined. That being a fact you had better understood. Our military is larger than the entire world combined. This militaristic mentality has long through history resulted in unjustified wars and a long term destruction of the domestic economy. One must first learn from history before one can recognize any threat to this nation.

Learn American history if only from one book: The Pentagon Papers. Long before one sees any threat, one should have learned from this history. Thank goodness for one of America's greatest patriots who got these lessons of history to us. We spent massive force and American lives only because extremist militants saw enemies throughout SE Asia. Reailty was that the enemy, instead, wanted to be a protectorate of the United States. Reread that sentence. Why then did we attack someone who so want to so be us as to .... even write a Declaration of Independence that was a copy of the US Declaration of Independence. Do you know this history or do you think the war in VietNam was justified - to protect American borders?

Radar has accurately defined the good and evil in American history. So important that, after VietNam, military officers were expected to be well educated in such history. To learn the bigger picture so that military force is only a last option. Unfortunately, we are right back to pre VietNam war days when the extremists among us again see enemies everywhere. Enemies that just don't exist except when when inspire them in boondoogles such as the unjustified invasion of Iraq.

Concepts are even well defined in Sun Tzu's Art of War - a book one should familiar before one cites a need for more military. Lessons taught in 500 BC. IOW those without the extensive lessons of history are doom to repeat it. Firemen only advocates reasons that caused the WTC attack. Osama bin Laden and the Muslim Brotherhood had little interest in attacknig the US - that is until we lied. Fireman then uses the WTC attack to justify war against others. That and such an exceesively large military will only undermine American strength and American popularity throughout the world. More important - we must first be an honest broker as we were in the Balkans.

Before America became an extremist nation that would attack anyone - Americans were welcome virtually everywhere. This despite what extremists will tell you. Today, American popularity is sharply down - only because the current administration would even advocate an attack on mainland China - over a silly spy plane. Again, the lessons of history. Only an extremist would see the China spy plane incident as a reason for war between nations. And yet that is what this administration - that needs more military - advocated. We almost went to war over something as silly as a spy plane. No wonder American popularity has dropped by factors such as *7 times* in only three years. No wonder this president is considered a mental midget throughout the world. Those who spend time drinking and doing drugs should instead have been learning the lessons of history. Six months training from Conny Rice is not sufficient.
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