Originally posted by Undertoad
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Hey, shit happens, and in Iraq there's a lot of shit happening and this particular shit doesn't even register. Some people were morons, there was humiliation, nobody died, not enough story to register on the most sensitive scale.
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From the BBC News Site ; Wednesday 5th May
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The US military says there have been investigations into 25 deaths in US custody in Iraq and Afghanistan.
In two cases the dead men were found to have been murdered by Americans, according to a US army official.
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People did die. People have had their human rights violated in what is looking increasingly like an intitutionalised culture of widespread abuse. Is anybody terribly surpised that soldiers ( and reservists and paid up civilians) abuse and humiliate their prisoners? Well no.....if we all expected that sort of thing not to happen nobody would have felt the need to enshrine it in n internationally accepted convention.
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(They had panties on their heads, man! Worst thing in the fucking world! I kinda wish I had some panties on my head though, don't you?)
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If you had been raised a muslim with muslim sensibilities you would find it thoroughly humiliating and deeply wounding. ...In fact I think if you as the person you are now were placed in a situation where you feared for your life and were under no illusions of being covered by the geneva conventions....where you were in fact entirely at the mercy of the invading occupying soldiers in whose custody you found yourself.....I suspect being made to wear womens underwear over your face might seem somewhat worse than it sounds to someone sitting comfortably at home.
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(Y'see Arabs are allowed to cut off tongues and hands and heads and beat themselves bloody with chains and cut themselves open and stone each other to death and be as warlike as possible to each other, but they can't possibly have another culture come in and put panties on their heads... it's just horrible for them.)
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I see. So because many arab nations live under regimes which promote that kind of state violence against their populace or in whose lands civil war and division has led to savagery and extreme responses we shouldnt feel bad about being the ones to abuse them ? So...perhaps we shouldnt feel bad about the way the Americans who were burned out of their vehicle and then even when dead dragged about the streets because hey....you guys are quite happy to kill someone with agonising surges of electric current burning them up from the inside out and hey....your gangs in LA are too busy shooting each other up to notice they ran out of crack.....Why should you be bothered if a non american treats one of you badlly? Its not even as if they were alive when they got hung fromthe bridge why should anyone care?
Your attitude towards the Iraqis is deplorable. These people are in the care of occupying forces. We keep saying we shouldnt be srprised at the horros being committed but we really should....This isnt war this is an occupation, these people have rights and we should be respecting that.