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ladysycamore · 05-05-2004, 12:21 PM

LadySidhe:If someone killed a member of my family, you bet I'd pull the switch, drop the floor, inject the drugs, pull the trigger, whatever. Like LadySyc, I'm vengeful by nature. I'd want to look into their eyes when I did it, too. Why should they live when my loved one is dead? It may not bring them back, but it would be a start on the healing process for me.

And you know what? I'd sleep like a baby afterward.

Catwoman:
Remorse and forgiveness - terrible burdens, eh?

That may or may not come later. And why does it matter so much how the victims family reacts? They are not the ones that will issue the decision of whether or not the murderer gets the death penalty or not.

And I would sleep like a baby afterwards as well.

Ladysycamore: So what then? Just make that person deny their true feelings for the sake of people who don't agree?

Catwoman:
I would never advocate denial as therapeutic or antidotal. By all means experience these emotions, just don't act on them.

Never said that anyone SHOULD act on them. But, I wouldn't blame anyone for feeling that way. In other words, I would WANT to kill the person who has harmed my loved one, but more than likely, I would not act on that.

Lady Sidhe: But if we KNOW someone is guilty, I say FRY 'EM.

Catwoman:
Fry 'em. Fry them? I just cannot comprehend this brutal animality.

Then don't. That's how Lady Sidhe feels. Why should she change that just because you do not agree?

Catwoman:
It is vulgar, reprehensible and reduces everything you have said to the same level as these vile individuals you would so relish seeing 'fried'. You are as guilty and sadistical as them:

You forgot to say, "IMO" after your assessment. Ever think that you can be just as sadistical as the next person for allowing a criminal to live? I'm sure someone out there thinks that of people who are not pro-DP.

If all this is based on one's morals, then it doesn't (or maybe even shouldn't) hold water in this conversation (seeing as though morality isn't a fixed concept). One man's yin is another man's yang, etc.
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LadySycamore: Why is it so difficult to comprehend that some people are going to feel that way..period? Just because YOU wouldn't DARE feel that way, don't say that others don't have the right to do so.
"Your right doesn't make me wrong." (told to me by a very wise man)

Catwoman:
Of course- no doubt I would feel just as much hatred, anger and desire for revenge as the next person, but emotions should not necessarily be translated into action. They are subjective and not a reflection of fact, or reality, and thus can only perpetuate the cycle of crime.

IMO, you are taking this a bit to the extreme. Just because someone would feel that way, doesn't mean that they would actually do it. And futhermore, you wouldn't be able to stop them from doing so anyway, so why even get all upset about it?
If Lady Sidhe feels the need to shoot the murderer, I say oh well, what am I going to do about it? The BEST I could probably do is try to talk her out of it, and not call her names as you have done (guilty, irrational, sadistic...how is that helping?)

05-05-2004, 12:21 PM	#140
ladysycamore "I may not always be perfect, but I'm always me." Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: In Sycamore's boxers Posts: 1,341	LadySidhe:If someone killed a member of my family, you bet I'd pull the switch, drop the floor, inject the drugs, pull the trigger, whatever. Like LadySyc, I'm vengeful by nature. I'd want to look into their eyes when I did it, too. Why should they live when my loved one is dead? It may not bring them back, but it would be a start on the healing process for me. And you know what? I'd sleep like a baby afterward. Catwoman: Remorse and forgiveness - terrible burdens, eh? That may or may not come later. And why does it matter so much how the victims family reacts? They are not the ones that will issue the decision of whether or not the murderer gets the death penalty or not. And I would sleep like a baby afterwards as well. Ladysycamore: So what then? Just make that person deny their true feelings for the sake of people who don't agree? Catwoman: I would never advocate denial as therapeutic or antidotal. By all means experience these emotions, just don't act on them. Never said that anyone SHOULD act on them. But, I wouldn't blame anyone for feeling that way. In other words, I would WANT to kill the person who has harmed my loved one, but more than likely, I would not act on that. Lady Sidhe: But if we KNOW someone is guilty, I say FRY 'EM. Catwoman: Fry 'em. Fry them? I just cannot comprehend this brutal animality. Then don't. That's how Lady Sidhe feels. Why should she change that just because you do not agree? Catwoman: It is vulgar, reprehensible and reduces everything you have said to the same level as these vile individuals you would so relish seeing 'fried'. You are as guilty and sadistical as them: You forgot to say, "IMO" after your assessment. Ever think that you can be just as sadistical as the next person for allowing a criminal to live? I'm sure someone out there thinks that of people who are not pro-DP. If all this is based on one's morals, then it doesn't (or maybe even shouldn't) hold water in this conversation (seeing as though morality isn't a fixed concept). One man's yin is another man's yang, etc. . LadySycamore: Why is it so difficult to comprehend that some people are going to feel that way..period? Just because YOU wouldn't DARE feel that way, don't say that others don't have the right to do so. "Your right doesn't make me wrong." (told to me by a very wise man) Catwoman: Of course- no doubt I would feel just as much hatred, anger and desire for revenge as the next person, but emotions should not necessarily be translated into action. They are subjective and not a reflection of fact, or reality, and thus can only perpetuate the cycle of crime. IMO, you are taking this a bit to the extreme. Just because someone would feel that way, doesn't mean that they would actually do it. And futhermore, you wouldn't be able to stop them from doing so anyway, so why even get all upset about it? If Lady Sidhe feels the need to shoot the murderer, I say oh well, what am I going to do about it? The BEST I could probably do is try to talk her out of it, and not call her names as you have done (guilty, irrational, sadistic...how is that helping?) __________________ "Freedom is not given. It is our right at birth. But there are some moments when it must be taken." ~Tagline from the movie "Amistad"~ "The Akan concept of Sankofa: In order to move forward we first have to take a step back. In other words, before we can be prepared for the future, we must comprehend the past." From "We Did It, They Hid It"