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This is a pretty interesting debate, so of course, I'd like to throw a big left turn into it...
Question for the antis...if you are being attacked, is it alright for you to kill in self-defense? I mean, what if the assailant is insane and not responsible for their actions, or perhaps they were motivated by extreme need or hunger or something else that society was ultimately responsible for?
When *is* killing for protection, either personal or societal, justified?
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