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Lady Sidhe · 05-04-2004, 10:35 AM

quote:And sociopathy is evident by age 15 through a group of behaviors. This isn't something that was pulled out of someone's ass...this information is the result of study of these individuals. Sociopaths cannot be cured.

"Something similar used to be said of Homosexuality . Usually it was said just before the offender was sent off to do two or three years of hardlabour.

Indidentally....not all sociopaths are murderers. Are they all capable of murder? Well yes I guess...but by that token we really should start locking up men in case they rape.'"

I have already said that not all sociopaths are criminals. Some turn out to be politicians and lawyers. You'd be amazed how far you can get without a conscience to hinder you. I'm not advocating locking people up OR killing them UNTIL they commit crimes.

"Given that ( in the UK) Mentaly ill patients are 6 times more likely to be murdered than the general populace I think we are focussing on the wrong people."

Work with some retarded juveniles in a "last chance before jail" facility like I did. Work with some mentally ill people who've murdered their children, and/or murdered more than one person, like I did, and THEN give me an opinion.

"And if all you can muster up for a response is 'soft on crime', 'letting them get away with it' and 'how would you feel if it was your sister' then you are incapable of objectivity and shouldn't be trying to talk rationally about something so important. "

But that's exactly what part of it is about.

"I suggest we work with criminals (no, not sitting comfortably on some psychologists couch) to establish the root of the crime and eliminate the cause, not its product."

And how do you suggest we do that? Do you really think they're going to give us an accurate answer that isn't slanted towards them? This is part of the problem--being so worried about whether their mother gave them a dirty look when they were three and thus ruined them for life. What about taking people to task for their actions? What about holding THEM responsible for what they've done, instead of someone or something else? Plenty of people are poor. They aren't criminals. Plenty of people were abused as kids. They don't murder. People who murder have something missing. It's not the parents' fault, and it's not society's fault. It's all them. They make a choice. They should have to pay for that choice.

And tell me, how old were YOU when you realized the difference between right and wrong? Did it take you until after you were a teenager to figure that out? I doubt it. Those kids who killed that little boy were what, ten and eleven? By then you know the difference. What they did was premeditated murder of a helpless, trusting child. If you can do that as a kid, what are you capable of as an adult?

Incidentally, smoothmoniker, BRAVO!

Sidhe

05-04-2004, 10:35 AM	#8
Lady Sidhe That's my story and I'm stickin' to it.... Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Hammond, La. Posts: 978	quote:And sociopathy is evident by age 15 through a group of behaviors. This isn't something that was pulled out of someone's ass...this information is the result of study of these individuals. Sociopaths cannot be cured. "Something similar used to be said of Homosexuality . Usually it was said just before the offender was sent off to do two or three years of hardlabour. Indidentally....not all sociopaths are murderers. Are they all capable of murder? Well yes I guess...but by that token we really should start locking up men in case they rape.'" I have already said that not all sociopaths are criminals. Some turn out to be politicians and lawyers. You'd be amazed how far you can get without a conscience to hinder you. I'm not advocating locking people up OR killing them UNTIL they commit crimes. "Given that ( in the UK) Mentaly ill patients are 6 times more likely to be murdered than the general populace I think we are focussing on the wrong people." Work with some retarded juveniles in a "last chance before jail" facility like I did. Work with some mentally ill people who've murdered their children, and/or murdered more than one person, like I did, and THEN give me an opinion. "And if all you can muster up for a response is 'soft on crime', 'letting them get away with it' and 'how would you feel if it was your sister' then you are incapable of objectivity and shouldn't be trying to talk rationally about something so important. " But that's exactly what part of it is about. "I suggest we work with criminals (no, not sitting comfortably on some psychologists couch) to establish the root of the crime and eliminate the cause, not its product." And how do you suggest we do that? Do you really think they're going to give us an accurate answer that isn't slanted towards them? This is part of the problem--being so worried about whether their mother gave them a dirty look when they were three and thus ruined them for life. What about taking people to task for their actions? What about holding THEM responsible for what they've done, instead of someone or something else? Plenty of people are poor. They aren't criminals. Plenty of people were abused as kids. They don't murder. People who murder have something missing. It's not the parents' fault, and it's not society's fault. It's all them. They make a choice. They should have to pay for that choice. And tell me, how old were YOU when you realized the difference between right and wrong? Did it take you until after you were a teenager to figure that out? I doubt it. Those kids who killed that little boy were what, ten and eleven? By then you know the difference. What they did was premeditated murder of a helpless, trusting child. If you can do that as a kid, what are you capable of as an adult? Incidentally, smoothmoniker, BRAVO! Sidhe __________________ My free will...I never leave home without it. --House Someday I want to be rich. Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be. -Rita Rudner Last edited by Lady Sidhe; 05-04-2004 at 10:46 AM.