[Radar]

He is always an over the top, in your face, libertarian but suddenly he has revealed that he believes property rights are a gift from the state.

I have said no such thing.

The reason I twisted his tail on atheism is because as an acedemic question, I asked him point blank in an earlier thread where natural rights come from in a Godless universe. There is probably an answer but he didn't have it.

Yes, I had it then and I still have it. Natural rights come from nature. We're born with them and the fictional character of "god" doesn't even enter into the picture.

Natural rights are a basic foundation of libertarianism.

True. What's your point?

It now appears to me that he doesn't believe that man has any rights not granted by the state.

That's an absolute and utter lie and I've never even said anything even remotely suggesting something so absurd. What the fuck are you smoking?

I've said that the Palestinian people didn't own the land and they didn't. Merely staying on a piece of land doesn't make it yours. If I buy some land in a state where I don't live, and you camp out on it for years, and then I choose to live on that land, IT'S NOT YOUR LAND!!! You never owned it and have no property rights to it what-so-ever. You're a liar if you claim otherwise.

How does an absolute belief in an unprovable concept make you see things more clearly?

The burden of proof rests squarely on those who claim god does exist; real proof of the existence of the being of god, not things people attribute to god like those idiots who point at a tree and are stupid enough to suggest that its proof god created it. If I said I saw a purple and orange polka-dot gorilla in the wild that could read minds, speak every language, and levitate nobody would believe me and if I pressed the issue they would demand to see it. The story of god is no more believable than the purple gorilla without measurable tangible proof of the being of god.

Radar loves twisting facts.

I have never "twisted" the facts even once. Everything I've said is straightforward, truthful, and based in historical fact.

TW just tells lie after lie. It's so predictable and boring.

Violence is necessary for Zionism.

Wrong. Violence is not necessary for Zionism. Peace is necessary for it. Zionists just want to lvie peacefully on their own land (yes it's their land) without having their women and children targeted and attacked. No attacks against Israel means no violence in return. The violence started on the part of the Palestinians, and it will voluntarily on their part or it will just end the Palestinian people.

I'm not advocating the initiation of violence. I'm advocating ending violence and having Peace once and for all. If the Palestinians refuse to stop their violence against Israel, they will be destroyed and Israel will still have peace.

Israel hasn't "stolen" any land. In fact they've been far too kind. They should have taken all the land of all the nations who attacked them because they are entitled to it. To the victor goes the spoils. But because Israel isn't interested in conquest or in someone else's land, they only took a small part of what they were entitled to as a buffer zone between them and their terrorist neighbors.

TW sure likes to try to rewrite history, but forgets that others like myself know the truth and will shut him down everytime he's stupid enough to open his mouth.

Here's a little fact retard, the U.S. military has never ever fought to defend Israel; not once. But they have fought to defend several Muslim nations.

No previous American president was so dumb as to let Israelis attack defenseless Palestinians with American weapons.

It's not up to an American president to determine who or why any other nation attacks anyone. Israel owns every single square centimeter of land they occupy legitimately and is perfectly justified morallly and legally to blow the shit out of people who attack them.

Israel takes every precaution to avoid harming innocent civilians but the Palestinians terrorists surround themselves with them as a human shield so they can point to the bodies and call Israel a bunch of monsters when in fact it was the Palestinians who initiated the violence and were just getting justice. Every death of a Palestinian civilian who was placed in danger by Palestinian terrorists rests on the shoulders of the Palestinian terrorists, not in those who brought justice to them.

Radar lies to promote their agenda.

I have NEVER lied on this or any other message board, but you seem to tell many lies. Here's a perfect example of a lie...

Violence was clearly started by Sharon and his Likud party - starting with the murder of Rabin. Radar hopes we forget what was happening before Likud had Rabin assassinated.

Wrong. The violence was started 3 days after Israel was created as a nation by the Palestinians and hasn't stopped since. The Palestinians don't want peace, they want to kill Jews. In 1996, the Palestinians were offered all of the land rightfully taken by Israel in 1967, and to get help in becoming an actual country if they could go one week without attacking any Jewish people in Israel. They coudn't do it.

TW, you're stupid and dishonest beyond words. Zionism does not require violence, but terrorism against Zionists does.

Ask yourself how long America would allow Mexicans to go into American movie theaters, malls, busses, etc. blowing up people before we just blew the shit out of Mexico? You can bet your ass it wouldn't be 50 years. Israel has been far too patient, kind, gentle, and nice to their neighbors.

Israel allows Palestinians to live, work, and even vote in Israel including women. No Arab nation on earth allows Arab women to vote.

I find it hilarious that the most idiotic, insane, pathetic, moronic, losers and assholes on the board call me a dickhead like Jaguar, Griff, Sycamore, and TW. I wear your insults like a badge of honor. Not that any of you would know much about honor.