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Slartibartfast · 04-12-2004, 06:12 PM

QUOTE]Originally posted by wolf

Actually, it isn't different. The Vatican City is a sovreign nation
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And as american citizens, Catholics here are not allied with Vatican City or its leader in any political way whatsoever. The Pope wears two hats, the political and the religious. If the Pope ordered all Catholics in the world to form an army and invade Belgium, its not going to work at all because his word as a religious leader is listened to by Catholics when what he says has to do with religion and nothing else. The same as if he orders all Catholics to root for the Steelers, he can again be ignored because it has nothing to do with religion. He has no say over any of that. Maybe this kind of thing happened back in the Middle Ages, but it is long over.

I guess we should never have a Jewish president because he would be influenced by Israel. Some Buddhists are out because they follow the Dalai Lama, an exiled leader of Tibet. Don't Anglicans believe the King or Queen of England is the head of their church? That would be one more group. And then Catholics too of course.

It seems to me you have to look at the candidates very carefully and see where their loyalties really are. Just looking at their religion won't give you the answer to the question of whether or not they will be loyal exclusively to the people of the United States. If done right, a religious candidate can be true to their religion and yet still maintain American loyalty and representation of the people. I don't think this is easy, but it is possible. I wish I could point one out, but I am sure they exist at lower levels of government office. Kennedy might be an example of a president who falls into this category, but I don't know enough about his term in office to say this with certainty.

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The spies from the Vatican are out there grabbing scarier shit than the nuclear secrets.
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and what might that be?

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And they've never revealed the third and final prophecy of Fatima, either.
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If disseminating that information was significant to saving the souls of people, then they would have released it, or else the church would be going against its own basic stated purpose.

04-12-2004, 06:12 PM	#3
Slartibartfast \|-0-\| <-0-> \|-0-\| Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: New Jersey Posts: 516	QUOTE]Originally posted by wolf Actually, it isn't different. The Vatican City is a sovreign nation [/quote] And as american citizens, Catholics here are not allied with Vatican City or its leader in any political way whatsoever. The Pope wears two hats, the political and the religious. If the Pope ordered all Catholics in the world to form an army and invade Belgium, its not going to work at all because his word as a religious leader is listened to by Catholics when what he says has to do with religion and nothing else. The same as if he orders all Catholics to root for the Steelers, he can again be ignored because it has nothing to do with religion. He has no say over any of that. Maybe this kind of thing happened back in the Middle Ages, but it is long over. I guess we should never have a Jewish president because he would be influenced by Israel. Some Buddhists are out because they follow the Dalai Lama, an exiled leader of Tibet. Don't Anglicans believe the King or Queen of England is the head of their church? That would be one more group. And then Catholics too of course. It seems to me you have to look at the candidates very carefully and see where their loyalties really are. Just looking at their religion won't give you the answer to the question of whether or not they will be loyal exclusively to the people of the United States. If done right, a religious candidate can be true to their religion and yet still maintain American loyalty and representation of the people. I don't think this is easy, but it is possible. I wish I could point one out, but I am sure they exist at lower levels of government office. Kennedy might be an example of a president who falls into this category, but I don't know enough about his term in office to say this with certainty. ____ The spies from the Vatican are out there grabbing scarier shit than the nuclear secrets. _____ and what might that be? ______ And they've never revealed the third and final prophecy of Fatima, either. ---------- If disseminating that information was significant to saving the souls of people, then they would have released it, or else the church would be going against its own basic stated purpose.