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Clodfobble · 03-25-2004, 11:56 AM

Scream at the Mother all you wish. She's going to have to find a job that will cover the cost of day care on top of bringing in enough money to support 4 people. Her job has flown off to China and where's the father in all this? How come no one is screaming at him? Meanwhile, that woman's little children are going without proper nutrition or medical care, and your response is just "too bad?"

First off, I don't recall saying "too bad" to anyone, certainly not the children. I think I would say "too bad" to the mother who doesn't want to get a job though.

Second, her job has not flown off to China unless everyone's commuting to China to eat dinner tonight, ordering pizza from China tonight, or shipping their building over to be cleaned by the Chinese tonight. I don't know about the hypothetical you're envisioning, but MY hypothetical woman is not a laid-off skilled factory worker. The simple fact is there ARE jobs available, just not necessarily jobs at the pay or comfort level one thinks they deserve.

Third, she gets tax credits for daycare (even if she has not paid taxes in the first place because she doesn't have a job.) In addition, many public schools offer pre-school starting at age 3, and many churches offer downright free daycare if you can show you are genuinely trying to improve your situation. Also, "supporting four people" is an extremely misleading statement. She's not supporting four adults. Rent is going to be her biggest expense, and three children can easily share one bedroom.

Fourth, I would be willing to bet I am more familiar with the ins and outs of family court than you are. PLENTY of people are screaming at the father, and often unrightfully so. In this day and age if a woman truly wants to find the father and get her money, she can. (More often they don't want the man in their lives at all because they don't want to let him have any visitation with the kids--and DON'T tell me that she has good reason, that women are better equipped to raise them by default.) You talk about how little $560 a month is for a person on disability. A man making minimum wage has roughly that much money left after child support. In addition, in the large majority of cases the father is required to provide medical insurance for the children, so their medical needs are fine--again, if the mother is willing to allow the horrifying possibility of the father having visitation rights.

And either way, if their medical/nutritional needs really get out of line, the children are taken away. Because we have a state that does that, unlike, say, Brazil.

As for your father in law, that's merely anecdotal evidence. How old was he? What was his disability and are you sure he's recieving SSDI?

I agree, it is anecdotal evidence, just as I said. He was 63, his disability was brain cancer, and I am quite certain he was on SSDI. I don't know how much money he received per month.

03-25-2004, 11:56 AM	#6
Clodfobble UNDER CONDITIONAL MITIGATION Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 20,012	Scream at the Mother all you wish. She's going to have to find a job that will cover the cost of day care on top of bringing in enough money to support 4 people. Her job has flown off to China and where's the father in all this? How come no one is screaming at him? Meanwhile, that woman's little children are going without proper nutrition or medical care, and your response is just "too bad?" First off, I don't recall saying "too bad" to anyone, certainly not the children. I think I would say "too bad" to the mother who doesn't want to get a job though. Second, her job has not flown off to China unless everyone's commuting to China to eat dinner tonight, ordering pizza from China tonight, or shipping their building over to be cleaned by the Chinese tonight. I don't know about the hypothetical you're envisioning, but MY hypothetical woman is not a laid-off skilled factory worker. The simple fact is there ARE jobs available, just not necessarily jobs at the pay or comfort level one thinks they deserve. Third, she gets tax credits for daycare (even if she has not paid taxes in the first place because she doesn't have a job.) In addition, many public schools offer pre-school starting at age 3, and many churches offer downright free daycare if you can show you are genuinely trying to improve your situation. Also, "supporting four people" is an extremely misleading statement. She's not supporting four adults. Rent is going to be her biggest expense, and three children can easily share one bedroom. Fourth, I would be willing to bet I am more familiar with the ins and outs of family court than you are. PLENTY of people are screaming at the father, and often unrightfully so. In this day and age if a woman truly wants to find the father and get her money, she can. (More often they don't want the man in their lives at all because they don't want to let him have any visitation with the kids--and DON'T tell me that she has good reason, that women are better equipped to raise them by default.) You talk about how little $560 a month is for a person on disability. A man making minimum wage has roughly that much money left after child support. In addition, in the large majority of cases the father is required to provide medical insurance for the children, so their medical needs are fine--again, if the mother is willing to allow the horrifying possibility of the father having visitation rights. And either way, if their medical/nutritional needs really get out of line, the children are taken away. Because we have a state that does that, unlike, say, Brazil. As for your father in law, that's merely anecdotal evidence. How old was he? What was his disability and are you sure he's recieving SSDI? I agree, it is anecdotal evidence, just as I said. He was 63, his disability was brain cancer, and I am quite certain he was on SSDI. I don't know how much money he received per month.