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BigV, I associated placebo with noncombatants.
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I do not agree with your glib dismissal sexobon. ... I sincerely doubt that for those in combat, those members of countries or movements wealthy enough to have others fight and die for them, who themselves are fighting and dying, consider Laws of Land Warfare a placebo. ...
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You disagreed; but, by associating placebo with combatants.
Apples and oranges.
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Ok, you opened by talking about an apple, and I asked you, as an orange expert what it was like for those experts. We are still talking about the same one subject, right, Laws of Land Warfare.
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... Are there no such soldiers who believe in and benefit from laws of war? ...
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Soldiers of most militaries are indoctrinated into believing things that will give them a perception of moral superiority to enhance their motivation and resultant combat effectiveness.
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Wow, harsh. So for soldiers the Laws of Land Warfare are indoctrination.
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... Real rules for real situations? ...
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Someone's been watching too many reality TV shows.
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No need to be bitchy. You and I both know that there are such rules in real situations. How effective/sensible/respected/disregarded those rules are is a subject whose vigorous discussion extends before and beyond my lifetime.
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... That sounds like the opposite of a placebo to me; ...
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Applying what I said about noncombatants to combatants sounds like the opposite to me.
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You've made your point that you consider Laws of Land Warfare to be a placebo for non-combatants (a point with which I don't agree, still) an apple. I'm not applying it as you suggest, I'm asking for your opinion.
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... Are there not laws that are more than some purty words to salve the consciences of those who are able to avoid the real pain of fighting? ...
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Yes, as I explained above, soldiers [combatants] of most militaries are indoctrinated into believing things that will give them a perception of moral superiority to enhance their motivation and resultant combat effectiveness. The same laws which enable this also provide a placebo effect for noncombatants. Two birds with one stone.
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Waitaminit. You've gone to some trouble to distinguish these Laws of Land Warfare for non-combatants as apples and these Laws of Land Warfare for combatants as oranges. Now you're telling me they're the same stone? Of course they're the same stone, they're objectively the same laws, regardless if you're a combatant or not. That's exactly my point. My questions were an attempt to learn about their effect/importance/etc among a population of which I am not a member.
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... Is it an imaginary benefit that we receive for mutually agreeing to not use chemical weapons? ...
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When the shit hits the fan, those agreements won't be worth the paper they're written on.
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Sure. That puts them in exactly the same box as all the other laws we have.
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... Or are you saying that the benefit might be real, but the word "law" is an illusion, just as I might find my headache cured by a sugar pill? ...
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Laws can be rescinded, superseded; or, suspended (simply not enforced). The leaders of most nations (incl. ours), or movements, already have the autonomous authority to do this in the interest of national security.
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I am highly suspicious of the implied "legal" autonomous authority you speak of, though I don't for a minute doubt or deny that such autonomy is being exercised. *This* subject, most importantly to me, in the United States, is an important and serious matter. Of course laws by themselves are inert, and require people to enervate them. People who believe.
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... I think "placebo" is inappropriately cynical and harsh.
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In the case study of one dwellar, placebo was entirely effective in diminishing the participant's reading comprehension to the point he was able to rationalize that apples and oranges are the same without suffering any of the ill affects associated with being a pumpkin head.
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Apples, oranges, pumpkins, whatever. It's all fruits basket!