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Skunks · 03-04-2004, 09:33 PM

- The website cited earlier (twin-towers.net/muslims.htm) is bullshit propaganda. It takes a small handful of photos of things which exist in a completely accepted form in American society (children with toy guns pretending to kill each other or inanimate objects, e.g.) and comes to the conclusions that A) those photos are representative of every, or even a majority, of the members of a religion with over a billion (their own statistic) followers and B) that all of those people want to kill Americans. I seriously have to question the source of their translations.

It's this sort of fucked up misrepresentation of other cultures that leads to terrorism; you take a few provocative images, add some subtitles that tell you they're going to kill you for what you/they believe, and bam. Somebody's blowing somebody else up. Except, it's terrorism when the other guy does it.

Vicious cycle.

- Circumcision is a part of Islam. Same origin as in Judaism and Christianity: covenant between Abraham and God.

- Husayn, the younger son of Ali and Fatima, the Prophet Muhammad's daughter by his first wife, was killed by a the present Umayyid caliph circa October 680.

This event marked the split between the Shi'ite (literally, the "party of Ali", or something to that effect) Muslims and the Sunni muslims/Umayyid caliphate. There had been some disagreements before, because Ali got shafted out of being Caliph for a while. But once they killed the grandson of the Prophet, there wasn't any way to really reconcile things: the Umayyids were no longer just questionably okay, and instead were considered by Shi'ites to be a bunch of non-Muslims leading the rest of the Muslims.

03-04-2004, 09:33 PM	#59
Skunks I thought I changed this. Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: western nowhere, ny Posts: 412	A few little things. - The website cited earlier (twin-towers.net/muslims.htm) is bullshit propaganda. It takes a small handful of photos of things which exist in a completely accepted form in American society (children with toy guns pretending to kill each other or inanimate objects, e.g.) and comes to the conclusions that A) those photos are representative of every, or even a majority, of the members of a religion with over a billion (their own statistic) followers and B) that all of those people want to kill Americans. I seriously have to question the source of their translations. It's this sort of fucked up misrepresentation of other cultures that leads to terrorism; you take a few provocative images, add some subtitles that tell you they're going to kill you for what you/they believe, and bam. Somebody's blowing somebody else up. Except, it's terrorism when the other guy does it. Vicious cycle. - Circumcision is a part of Islam. Same origin as in Judaism and Christianity: covenant between Abraham and God. - Husayn, the younger son of Ali and Fatima, the Prophet Muhammad's daughter by his first wife, was killed by a the present Umayyid caliph circa October 680. This event marked the split between the Shi'ite (literally, the "party of Ali", or something to that effect) Muslims and the Sunni muslims/Umayyid caliphate. There had been some disagreements before, because Ali got shafted out of being Caliph for a while. But once they killed the grandson of the Prophet, there wasn't any way to really reconcile things: the Umayyids were no longer just questionably okay, and instead were considered by Shi'ites to be a bunch of non-Muslims leading the rest of the Muslims.