[henry quirk]

"I agree with Ali's assessment of bullshit"

As you like. Again: she says nothing (*of value).

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"I think John's on target"

See above.

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"The greater knowledge I spoke of is that Ibram knows Ibram better than you know Ibram."

Yes, agreed...and -- AGAIN -- he can and should self-define as 'she' if that's what he likes. But: I'm obligated to 'what' exactly because of his self-definition?

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"Hermaphrodites are both he and she. Are they just nothing then?"

Biologically disordered folks who can self-define as each cares to.

Mostly just folks who are different in some fashion. The difference obligates me 'what'?

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"...once we are born, our genes are set and clearly defined as a simple XX or XY."

In the baseline that's it exactly. Divergence from the baseline is just that, 'divergence', not a re-defining of the baseline.

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"*..."gender", your main subject..."

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"But you seem to want to have a definitive ... scientific, absolute certainty about the situation."

I have certainty: Ibram is 'he', not 'she'.

His 'feeling' and self-definition (of she-ness, as she) is another matter irrelevant to the thread (despite great effort to conflate the two) except as it motivates him to claim he is 'she'.

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"What, exactly, do you know about Ibram's penis? What are your sources.

In this forum: he announces his transgender status, moving, in his estimation, from 'he' to 'she'.

Typically: men have cocks.

Also: Ibram has never disputed any mention of his cock.

While not absolute proof of anything, the evidence is strong that Ibram has a cock.

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I just don't see your evidence supporting your claim that "penis equals he".

Define: 'he' (as it pertains to a human individual).

Define: 'she' (as it pertains to a human individual).

Do this and you’ll have your evidence.









*if I'm guilty of anything in this thread (its later part), it is -- in haste -- not being as precise as I'd normally would be.

In the case of John and Ali: certainly both posted 'something'...what was posted, in my view, has real no value in moving the debate forward...she asserts 'bullshit"; he says I'm messed up in the head...not of value, in my view.

In the case of gender: I allowed folks to muddy the water by conflating 'gender' with my opening.

In the above areas, the confusion is my fault...apologies.