You want some evidence about the fact that
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there is a good deal of medical evidence to suggest that gender is less simple that we have previously considered
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Originally Posted by henry quirk
Cite some, great defender.
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Ok, a quick (0.41 seconds) google search on the word "gender" turned up this:
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gen·der/ˈjendər/
Noun:
(in languages such as Latin, Greek, Russian, and German) Each of the classes (typically masculine, feminine, common, neuter) of nouns...[or pronouns]
The property (in nouns and related words) of belonging to such a class: "adjectives usually agree with the noun in gender and number".
Synonyms:
genus - kind - species - sort
More info »Wikipedia - Dictionary.com - Answers.com - Merriam-Webster
Gender - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender
Gender is a range of characteristics of femininity, masculinity and others described as third gender. Depending on the context, the describing characteristics vary ...
Gender roles - Gender identity - Third gender - Grammatical gender
What is 'Gender' ?
www.itu.int/gender/about/gender.html
Dec 20, 2001 – ITU GGI selection of definitions on 'Gender' ? Gender refers to the social attributes and opportunities associated with being male and female ...
What Is Gender? • Index page
www.whatisgender.net/
Community Information: Topics: Posts: Last post. Forum Rules and Announcements Rules, Announcements and other important information. READ HERE FIRST ...
Eldis - What is gender?
www.eldis.org › Home › Topics › Dossiers › Trade and gender
'Gender' refers to the socially constructed roles of and relations between men and women, while 'Sex' refers to biological characteristics which define humans ...
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You opened this thread with a ridiculous and nitpicky complaint about pronoun usage. Ok, let's stick with that. You then try to support your position by introducing statements about Ibram's penis. This quick screenshot of the top hits from google about "gender", your main subject, don't mention penis at all. It's not about penis, hq.
All of our interactions that rely on language depend for their success on a shared understanding of the words we use. You've made clear your understanding of some of these words, like gender and penis. Ok. I don't share your narrow view of these words. Lots of other folks have also indicated the difference between your opinion and theirs. That's ok too. As long as we're talking about grammar and language, sure, plenty of room for our conversation.
But you seem to want to have a definitive ... scientific, absolute certainty about the situation. You bring up hypotheses about penises and dna, etc. I'd like to question your methods here. If they're sound, perhaps they'll stand up. What, exactly, do you know about Ibram's penis? What are your sources. You challenge others for cites of their propositions, I challenge you. And if the discussion is really about Ibram, penis bearer, why are you so wrapped around the axle about pronouns? I just don't see your evidence supporting your claim that "penis equals he". Let's see your cites.