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Old 02-21-2004, 12:05 PM   #22
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I suppose since the point is to find Biblical roots for American founding documents, all I should need is a Bible and copies of the documents.
First, lets get the Leviticus thing out of the way. Further on in the same book:
"Do not defile yourselves in any of these ways, because this is how the nations that I am going to drive out before you became defiled. Even the land was defiled; so I punished it for its sin, and the land vomited out its inhabitants. But you must keep my decrees and my laws. The native-born and the aliens living among you must not do any of these detestable things. For all these things were done by the people who lived in the land before you, and the land became defiled. And if you defile the land, it will vomit you out as it vomited out the nations that were before you." -- Lev. 18:24-28
Simple cause and effect. If you want your race to survive, don't engage in (all the things listed in the preceding verses). And while the sexual laws were punishable by death, in the same book, banishment was listed as an alternate punishment. Lev. 18:29
What is it about the sex thing that gets people so uptight, anyway? Troubleshooter, why didn't you mock the following:
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20:9 When you reap the harvest of your land, do not reap to the very edges of your field or gather the gleanings of your harvest.

20:10 Do not go over your vineyard a second time or pick up the grapes that have fallen. Leave them for the poor and the alien. I am the Lord your God.

20:11-12 Do not steal. Do not lie. Do not deceive one another. Do not swear falsely by my name and so profane the name of your God. I am the Lord.

20:13 Do not defraud your neighbor or rob him. Do not hold back the wages of a hired man overnight.

20:14 Do not curse the deaf or put a stumbling block in front of the blind, but fear your God. I am the Lord.

etc. etc......dueling Bible verses is getting tiresome, It's your right to detest Christianity and biblical truth, but constantly trying to minimize it to some kind of anti-sex document is not just erroneous, but childish.

By the way, that's kind of the point of Jesus. His death made the law a guideline for our lives rather than a list of acts that were literally punishable, as they were in the fledgling days of Israel.

Romans 3:19-20 - "Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be silenced and the whole world held accountable to God. Therefore no one will be declared righteous in his sight by observing the law, rather, through the law we become conscious of sin."

Getting back on track...Happy Monkey, here's a few examples that have a direct parallel. There is no way of proving or disproving individual verses' contribution to founding documents, but the themes are the same:

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal…" Declaration of Independence

"There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for you are all one in Christ Jesus." - Galatians 3:28



"No person shall be convicted of treason unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court." - U.S Constitution, Art. III, Section 3, Paragraph 1

"On the testimony of two or three witnesses a man shall be put to death, but no one shall be put to death on the testimony of only one witness." - Deut. 17:6


"..but no attainder of treason shall work corruption of blood or forfeiture except during the life of the person attainted." - U.S Constitution, Art. III, Section 3, Paragraph 2

"Fathers shall not be put to death for their children, nor children put to death for their fathers; each is to die for his own sin." - Deut. 24:16


Edited to add that Blackstone depended heavily on scripture as well, and he was a favorite of the FFs
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