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Old 01-30-2012, 11:59 AM   #10
BigV
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Originally Posted by classicman View Post
I had kinda hoped that the police would be involved in that in some way.
Ya know like prevention or something.
What crimes do the police prevent? What crimes are the supposed to prevent? None. They can't. The only thing that prevents crime is a person's own moral sense relative to the laws established in their time and location. That's it.

Ok, like... what evidence was there to justify a police action? I haven't seen any. An angry father? Not a crime. A murdering father, yes, of course that's a crime. The police are not responsible for preventing crime. If that's your expectation, we have trouble. The PARENTS are responsible for not murdering their children. Fuck, for that matter, the police are also responsible for not murdering the children. The police succeeded, the parents failed.

If there is some something that shows the police had cause to act and failed to do so effectively, that's important. But absent some kind of evidence like that, I can't fault the police, or the social services for that matter. I'm not a perfect parent. I'm a good parent, and no murderer. But I will never stand for a system that has the police, y'know, just hanging out, making sure I don't murder someone in my home.

There's ALREADY a crapton of this in other societies, notably the ones in the Middle East where vigilante deciders of moral values intercede. Screw that. I like my police on a strict legal leash. Murders will happen either way, but with our laws, we at least have some agreed upon framework that we each can use to hang our expectations on. We can expect that the police won't arbitrarily decide a murder was imminent and act, perhaps with deadly force. None of us wants that.

It is a criminal and a moral outrage. There are two different grievances here, the society's outrage at the murder of the girls and the shame of the family brought about by the actions of the girls. The girls' actions seemed to be within their local society's boundaries, but well outside their family's boundaries. This is the very point of conflict. This family was not in a society that had compatible standards, standards their children's behavior was compatible with. The family acted in a way that was true to their beliefs but it was tragically counter to the standards of the society in which they lived. Perhaps they believe they have their honor restored, though they'll only enjoy it in prison. They will have considerable company there. Many others have made the same tragic calculation.
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