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Old 10-03-2011, 11:38 AM   #18
Lamplighter
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Originally Posted by Undertoad View Post
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Why do we care about process over justice? My guitarist was unceremoniously thrown in jail on the false witness of his insane ex; yes, he got "due process", but the process almost led to the worst possible outcome: children left fatherless and in the care of someone dangerously mentally ill.

Actual justice should be the desired outcome, not procedure.
But UT, trials are not given to defendants who “deserve” them;
they are for everyone in order to sort the guilty from the innocent.
In that sense, your friend and his girlfriend each deserve their day in court,
as does everyone else... that is, no exceptions based on accusations.

Since the Dept of Justice memo is being kept secret, we will not know if Alwaki received justice or not...
only that he is was an American citizen deliberately killed by his own government without trial.

This decision by Obama is a watershed event.
Perhaps it is the inevitable outcome of recent laws
that give more and more power to the President.
If the original intent of the C was to have a "weak Presidency",
this decision goes beyond any such interpretation.

It's not politics... it's a matter of what kind of government rules us.
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