[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Jill

You're forgetting that the first round of bailouts started with President Bush and T.A.R.P. I find it disingenuous in the extreme to lambaste Democrats for continuing the recovery methods started by the Republicans. The fact that we ended up needing more than what Bush allowed for is not a reflection of Barack Obama or Democratic policies.

No, that is your OPINION. I don't give a shit. Bush did what he thought was right at the time IN COMPLETE coordination with Obama and the on coming team. The whole thing was planned in consultation with the obvious winner of the election. This was not some BUSH plan... that is BS. It was completely coordinated out of deference to the new President.

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt that your spelling of 'Democratically' as 'Demoncratically' was a typo.

Fuck that, it is totally and completely on purpose...

"Not a completely agreed [upon] notion" /= "wouldn't or couldn't have happened." Ah, I see. So when I Republican president does it, you "don't give a shit," but when a Democratic president does it, you care mightily.

No, as I said, back then I did not give a shit as I was on AD? Did you miss that part or you purposefully ignoring it?

I'm afraid that given the economic disasters that occurred under Reagan's tenure, not to mention Iran/Contra and CIA drug smuggling operations, we're going to have to agree to disagree on him being a "breath of fresh air." I found him to be a "breath of foul stench."

Yea, and ole Carter was crap as a president, wishy washy and responsible for the failed Iran Hostage Rescue.

Yes, actually. You responded to a post of mine by telling me you didn't "give a shit," alleged I was clueless by asking multiple times if I had "any clue," and closed with the snotty remark, "get a grip."

You don't find that insulting? Stop with the hyperbole. It's really annoying.

No, get over yourself.

There actually are "rules of debate" that exist in formal debate procedures. Now, I understand this is an informal debate, as there are no "teams" or judges. However, the basics should be held to or no light can be shed and no genuine discourse can evolve.

Fuck that. You don't get to define them.

Romania's (and Latvia, Lithuania, and Estonia's) flat tax system didn't work because a single tax rate spread amongst all individuals was insufficient to support the countries' needs.

Again, that does not mean that they effectively put the into a working process. Ever been to Eastern Bloc countries? I have. They are RIPE with corruption. Don't try to hold up some POS newly birthed Democracy as some form or example of what works or does not work. It is a inherently corrupt system....

The U.S. tax system worked perfectly well at the rates that existed throughout the 1990s. Where we got in trouble was when Republicans regained control, and both lowered tax rates for only the wealthiest Americans and spent billions of dollars outside the budget, abandoning PAYGO rules. This lie has been disproven. 47% of Americans didn't pay and FEDERAL INCOME tax last year, but they did pay taxes.

Bull shit. They did not pay FEDERAL INCOME TAX, and I have not varried from that assertion.

They pay sales tax, social security tax, gas tax and state taxes, just like everyone else.

As do most illegal aliens, but that does not make them legal. It has nothing to do with what I was saying....

And the percentage of Americans who don't pay Federal Income tax changes as people rise out of poverty and into the middle class.

I don't care. When nearly 50% of the population are Zero Liability Voters we have a problem.

Unfortunately, Republican policies have widened the income disparity in this country exponentially. The poor are poorer than they've been in half a century and the wealthy are wealthier than they've ever been in our nation's entire history. Please explain how it is equally "painful" for the person making $1,000,000 per year to pay, say, $230,000 in taxes, leaving them with $770,000 in disposable income, as it is for the person making $10,000 to pay $2,300 in taxes, leaving them with only $7,700 in disposable income?

which is why every one should pay the same percent of their income in FEDERAL TAXES and eliminate the loop holes and Deductions for everyone!

How much "pain" does the millionaire feel when he has more than three quarters of a million dollars a year to do with as he pleases?

Completely shows your bias and that this is nothing more than class warfare because you don't think someone should make more money than you, and if they do, they should give some to you to make your life better. What a load of crap.

How much pain does the man trying to live on $7,700 a year feel, when he has to stand in line at food kitchens, collect food stamps, shop for clothes in thrift shops and try to find section 8 housing in order to merely survive?

Been there done it....