[Griff]

Good points Clod, I'll accept the over-charge. They are trying to overcome deficits the girl has (nature v nurture aside). I've seen their work over time. The parents are opposite personalities and the daughter takes after Mom very submissive, avoiding conflict, but with a capacity for passive aggression, which I think we're watching right now from both sides. We've convinced ourselves of the folly of involvement even though my advice was asked for before I had a clear idea what was happening.