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Originally Posted by DanaC
I'd suggest that picking someone up, turning them upside down and slamming them bodily onto a concrete surface with a brick wall in the way has way more potential to cause crippling injuries than a shove or punch. Not to say shoves and punches are risk free, but the pile drive move is really something that should only be used when on a sprung surface. Preferably having both had training in how to fall.
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All I'm saying is that no matter what level of violence you use, there is a potential to cause serious harm. What if he'd shoved him and the boy had hit his head on the concrete? Same outcome.
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That's total nonsense. That's like saying if I am in favour of the kid throwing a punch I am equally in favour of him pulling out a knife and slashing the other kid across the face. Violence exists on a sliding scale.
Violence can be an effective way to end conflict. There are times when it is the only way. But that doesn't mean all levels of violence are acceptable.
Oh, I'm sorry, I thought we were having a discussion and expressing our opinions on the issue. I don't 'get to decide' for anybody what level of violence is right. Nor do you. Stalemate. ffs.
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My point is Dana, that you're saying it's ok to go so far, but not as far as that. Why is one thing ok and not another? Maybe the victim had tried pushing himself away in the past and to no effect? Maybe he decided on a definitive ending to the situation. That's what it looked like to me.
As I said, no disrespect intended at all, but I don't understand (honestly), how you can say it's ok to push or punch someone, but it's not ok to use a different level of force.
Oh sure I understand the concept of reasonable force and all that, but seriously, we're expecting kids to be able to make that sort of judgement call when they're in a desperate situation? I don't think so.