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lumberjim · 12-23-2003, 11:46 AM

sorry to intrude on this heated debate so late in it's evolution, and i want to confess that I have NOT read ALL of the posts as they seem to be, ostensibly at least, mainly argumentative, but Radar, if there is no income tax, who pays for the infrastructure? roads, sewers, etc.? who defends our borders? if there was no tax, wouldn't this all be privatized and therefore cost the consumer a whole shit load more? would all roads be toll roads? I don't see it.

If there existed the articles of rights as you describe, wouldn't there be huge grey areas where peoples rights overlap, and infringement on those becomes muddy?

the government exists as it does because it has evolved that way from neccessity. The tax laws from greed and special interest kickbacks. However, in your defense, I agree that the Patriot act and the Homeland security act are potentially disastrous acts that in "time of emergency" can rob us of our rights. And now, we keep hearing different colors of alert status. Is this just to warm us up for when it goes RED and they begin to take away our rights? Maybe.

And if that happens, I'm joining your revolution. Take some time and look into pre WWI germany and what they did with peoples rights and "state of emergency" scenarios. It didn;t take hitler long to declare that state of emergency and militarize the country in preparation for his Imperialistic goals. And here we are taking over Iraq.

uh oh.

don't trust them. don't trust any of them.

12-23-2003, 11:46 AM	#56
lumberjim I can hear my ears Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 25,571	sorry to intrude on this heated debate so late in it's evolution, and i want to confess that I have NOT read ALL of the posts as they seem to be, ostensibly at least, mainly argumentative, but Radar, if there is no income tax, who pays for the infrastructure? roads, sewers, etc.? who defends our borders? if there was no tax, wouldn't this all be privatized and therefore cost the consumer a whole shit load more? would all roads be toll roads? I don't see it. If there existed the articles of rights as you describe, wouldn't there be huge grey areas where peoples rights overlap, and infringement on those becomes muddy? the government exists as it does because it has evolved that way from neccessity. The tax laws from greed and special interest kickbacks. However, in your defense, I agree that the Patriot act and the Homeland security act are potentially disastrous acts that in "time of emergency" can rob us of our rights. And now, we keep hearing different colors of alert status. Is this just to warm us up for when it goes RED and they begin to take away our rights? Maybe. And if that happens, I'm joining your revolution. Take some time and look into pre WWI germany and what they did with peoples rights and "state of emergency" scenarios. It didn;t take hitler long to declare that state of emergency and militarize the country in preparation for his Imperialistic goals. And here we are taking over Iraq. uh oh. don't trust them. don't trust any of them. __________________ This body holding me reminds me of my own mortality Embrace this moment, remember We are eternal, all this pain is an illusion ~MJKeenan Last edited by lumberjim; 12-23-2003 at 11:51 AM.