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Originally Posted by Lamplighter
What does it appear the US is doing diplomatically ?
Afghanistan:
We are whining about their corrupt government
We are distributing money at an incredible pace, mainly as bribes
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Or you saw what Richard Holbrooke was so successfully doing. Successful being a compromised term because the corruption in Afghanistan and the constant ongoing cold war between India and Pakistan continues to complicate issues.
There should be no doubt about this. The most dangerous country to America is Pakistan - our supposed ally. That is how complicated is it.
The death of Richard Holbrooke should have been lamented in every post by everyone IF what he was doing was understood. That that is much of the problem. Most all do not.
Every war is only won at the negotiation table. That is the entire purpose of all that death and destruction. To return discussion to a negotiation table.
Appreciate what Richard Holbrooke did to win a Balkans war by eliminating 'big dic' thinking. He and Clinton setup a peace table in Dayton Ohio after using specific and careful military attacks to convince all parties. Well that was not good enough for Milosevic. So NATO made his forces a special target. Milosevic then went to Dayton. And discovered nobody was leaving that military base until peace had been negotiated. Another perfect example of how force is used for only one purpose - the diplomatic solution.
Holbrooke was trying to do same among Afghanistan, Pakistan, and India (and other parties that so many forget to mention). But he had two major problems. The first is what everyone expects because of what George Jr did. And second, the Karzai government is mostly for the protection of the Karzai government. Not for Afghanistan. Deja Vue Nam.
For example, why was the Indian embassy in Afghanistan bombed? You should know this because it so explains the entire problem. Pakistan regards Karzai and Afghanistan as an Indian ally. Bomb the Indian embassy to break relationships between India and Afghanistan. What kind of ally is that? Welcome to a problem America has with our so called allies who may also be selling more nuclear weapons technology around the world.
So why does the world not take so much notice? Remember America’s dumbest president literally rolled a truck through the Nuclear non-Proliferation Treaty to subvert it. Why would anyone trust Holbrooke when more George Jrs (ie Sarah Palin) are waiting to replace Obama? In complete violation of the NPT, we started supplying India with nuclear material and knowledge. So even more American soldiers may die uselessly in Afghanistan.
If you do not see the connection, well you are not grasping what America diplomats were trying to avoid. As a result, Pakistani military is supporting (as well as fighting) the Taliban either officially or contrary to orders.
If you did not know how George Jr's destruction of NPT makes this even more complex, then you have not even begun to understand why whole hour shows on Charlie Rose with the players do not even begin to explain the issue. It is that complex. It is another Vietnam - no doubt.
In Vietnam, we were defeated in the mid 1960s. But did not realize it until the early 1970s. We may have been defeated in Afghanistan in 2003 due to what George Jr did (ie America does not do nation building). Therefore we must massacre American wealth and soldiers in mass numbers to learn what is true.
BTW, view next door Iran. Those mullahs are laughing with glee at the mess a stupid president got us into. And at the same time, we are hurting their greatest enemies. Iran has so much to thank George Jr for.