[Whit]

      I thought I'd take things a step further on the troll thing, and explain to 747 (not Jim as I'd prefer no confusion with our own Lumberjim) where the assertions are coming from.
      First of all, you came into a discussion without reading what came before. That or you didn't pay much attention to it. Most of you arguments had already been made and dealt with. Yet you showed no sign of knowing that. That's rude. It suggests that no one on here could possibly be as smart as you, at least in your opinion. This is a method a lot of trolls use to be offensive.
      Second Juju asked if you were a troll. Not long after that you asked if Wolf was a socialist. Which most of us would consider far worse than being a troll. Yet you claimed that you didn't call her one, just asked. Well, that's what Juju did with you. This kind of double standard is typical of trolls.
      Third, Syc has refuted your arguments continuously and politely. You've pretty well ignored his arguments. Also, you tell us to research for you. Why should we? A troll might well try to send people on a wild internet goose chase.
      Fourth, your trump card, so to speak, is that religion is the basis of all morality. That is just frightening. Very few of my friends attend church or have faith in any religion. Yet these are the most honest moral people I know. Thus you strike me as making a crazy statement to stir up trouble. That's pretty much the definition of what a troll is. By the by, are you saying that without church you would instantly become a callous hedonist? Just curious.
      Anyway, you've been getting pissy about the troll assertions. I thought you might want to know why they were made.