[monster]

you're like a stuck record, that's what. We didn't actually rule that out if you read back, although it makes logical nonsense because you can override the relay with the switch to the left of the console -and that's still working. So even if it was stuck, we should still be able to override it. If this is a wiring issue, then the guy (yup, has to be male) who designed it should be shot..... but we're still investigating the relay issue

What I love about the cellar is the wealth, variety and depth of expert knowledge there is here. What I hate about the cellar is the need for some of the people in possession of that knowledge to patronize and assume idiot-level intelligence in the questioner. And hypocrites. Didn't you just get snitty with tw for making the same point twice, CM?

We can google. We can try what google suggests. We can use other search engines. We have friends in the car industry, Beest works in the car industry. We're smart enough to do plenty of research on the obvious and even the not-so-frickin-obvious before asking The Cellar. We don't tend to bother the genius that lurks here unless the obvious has failed. It didn't fucking work this time. So we expanded our horizons. Don't post snippets of the first google search you did, it's insulting.

Thanks for the suggestions beyond that -we're still working on them, we'll keep you posted if you care.