The Cellar - View Single Post - What would Martin Niemoller think about Arizona?

06-03-2010, 05:45 AM

Now you are just being an "argumentative asshole" if I could use your words.

Of course, there is a cost to AZ directly related to illegal immigrants. I have never suggested otherwise. I did say, IMO, the cost reported from some sources is over-inflated and that it is factually incorrect to say that illegal immigrants do not pay taxes.

I have provided data that crime is down statewide and in border cities/counties.

I have provided data that federal expenditures on border security have increased significantly in the last 3-5 years.

And I have provided data that deportations have risen proportionately at the same time.

In fact, according to DHS/Customs data, the number of illegal immigrants currently in the country is at its lowest point in the last 10 years...having peaked in 2007.

IMO, when the governor of AZ describes the current illegal immigration problem in AZ as responsible for "murder, terror and mayhem" and the federal government is "not responding"....I would suggest she is politicizing the problem as much as anyone.

And that means politicizing the issue as much or more than those law enforcement officials in AZ and elsewhere who have expressed concern over the law and who you say are ALL acting for political or financial reasons.

Another fact check

added:
I am not for open borders, as you or others have suggested. I am not for illegal immigrants having more rights than citizens, as you or others have suggested.

IMO, the only way to address the issue is to have comprehensive reform that provides more effective border security (not wasting money on a symbolic fence) AND a pathway to citizenship for most of the 12 million illegal immigrants in the country....NOT amnesty as it is mischaracterized for political purposes....but a process where they register, go to the back of the line, have a background check, pay taxes and fines, learn english, etc.

06-03-2010, 05:45 AM	#1
Redux Guest Posts: n/a	Now you are just being an "argumentative asshole" if I could use your words. Of course, there is a cost to AZ directly related to illegal immigrants. I have never suggested otherwise. I did say, IMO, the cost reported from some sources is over-inflated and that it is factually incorrect to say that illegal immigrants do not pay taxes. I have provided data that crime is down statewide and in border cities/counties. I have provided data that federal expenditures on border security have increased significantly in the last 3-5 years. And I have provided data that deportations have risen proportionately at the same time. In fact, according to DHS/Customs data, the number of illegal immigrants currently in the country is at its lowest point in the last 10 years...having peaked in 2007. IMO, when the governor of AZ describes the current illegal immigration problem in AZ as responsible for "murder, terror and mayhem" and the federal government is "not responding"....I would suggest she is politicizing the problem as much as anyone. And that means politicizing the issue as much or more than those law enforcement officials in AZ and elsewhere who have expressed concern over the law and who you say are ALL acting for political or financial reasons. Another fact check added: I am not for open borders, as you or others have suggested. I am not for illegal immigrants having more rights than citizens, as you or others have suggested. IMO, the only way to address the issue is to have comprehensive reform that provides more effective border security (not wasting money on a symbolic fence) AND a pathway to citizenship for most of the 12 million illegal immigrants in the country....NOT amnesty as it is mischaracterized for political purposes....but a process where they register, go to the back of the line, have a background check, pay taxes and fines, learn english, etc. Last edited by Redux; 06-03-2010 at 06:16 AM.