[Shawnee123]

(sits back in rocking chair, smoking pipe):

This reminds me of an old job application I once perused, back in my days with the country club.

Under "what job did you like the least and why" the kid replied "McDonalds. I didn't like the greasy environment."

Under "what was your favorite job" he wrote "McDonalds."

A cow orker, a funny young lady, said, while nodding her head knowingly "hmmmm, he really DOES like the greasy environment."

My point? Do you love or hate the Catholic Church? Despite your protestations that you have your own problems with it, you have NEVER jumped higher off the fence in your assertion that we should just stop talking about it. I'm not even saying you SHOULD love or hate it, but why can't anyone else talk about it? It's what THIS thread is about.

The whole "hush hush" you seem to advocate sounds like...EGAD...what this thread is about!

You are employing your *ahem* classic Classic debate style.
I didn't say this. I didn't say that. Cite it please. Verbatim.

I mean all this in the best of ways, of course.