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Originally Posted by Elspode
If we want China to curb their emissions, someone's going to have to conquer them to get it.
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No, just stop buying their crap. Easier said than done, but the more people do it, the easier it'll get, because other suppliers will step up.
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Originally Posted by Redux
What came out of Copenhagen was a new framework for cooperation for reducing C02 emissions....that is a fact.
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Originally Posted by Redux
I agree it will take a binding agreement...but you build a binding agreement on a framework that all parties can agree to..and that is what came out of Copenhagen.
And the framework sets both global and national long-emission reduction goals along with providing an independent verification process, both of which are new and, IMO, helpful first steps. It also includes short-term financial pledges to help developing nations....and far more from the EU and Japan than the US.
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Originally Posted by Redux
SO most countries didnt like or sign the final accord, which btw, was not a treaty, but a framework for the developed countries....and the hard core singled-minded environmentalists didnt like it.
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Get real, there is no framework when most of the countries didn't agree. If you think China will ever agree to independent verification you're dreaming. Did you forget about the Australians that were imprisoned for violation of State Mining & Industrial Secrets for trying to merge with a Chinese company?