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Originally posted by Uryoces
Why? Moving out into the solar system. I could just as easily say that the supercollider is a waste of money in that it's pure estoeric science with no application whatsoever.
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Yes one could say that. But there is a difference between science and science fiction. Putting a few men on the moon struggling to survive while desperately mining for water is suppose to advance mankind? We are spending billions to keeping two men uselessly in space, only above the earth, doing nothing to advance mankind. Now a few starving earthlings on the southern pole of the moon would advance mankind? Only if using junk science reasoning.
We know superconductivity has massive potential for our future. Where is the knowledge to make superconductivity work? Quantum physics - not on a moon's southern pole. We know that newer materials and better production methods are necessary to advance mankind. Where is the knowledge? In learning how these materials are formed and better ways to make them. Quantum physics. Where is the future of memory, logic, and data storage. Already in science developed in quantum physics - without spending billions on two men in space. What makes our fundamental energy types work and interrelate. Wisdom from a man in the moon - or quantum physics? Where is the future in genetic research - the heart of future medical breakthroughs? In technology that is found in quantum physics - not the least of which is new computer components found in the principles of quantum physics. Where are the concepts of alternative energy sources such as fuel cells? We break up the atom into its quantum physic parts, each taking a different path. Its called quantum physics.
IOW quantum physics is involved with or fundamental to many technologies that appear to be our future. How do we get propulsion systems and newer lighter materials so that two men can beg for water on the moon's southern pole? Breakthoughs that probably are found in new technologies - based fully or in part on .... quantum physics.
Most of the breakthrough technologies that made latest computers possible were from the world of advanced physics - because the US has most of the worlds advance quantum physics tools. Quantum physics research are why transistor not are only single digit atoms thick. However a large sucking sound will begin soon as those world leading minds go where basic research is appreciated. Same place that the 'www' was created. Cern. Why? Too many Americans even in the Cellar cannot tell the difference between spending $billions to put two beggars on the moon's southern pole - verses where many new breakthrough technologies come from. Many of our previous advances were pioneered in work from predecessors of the super collider. But now a super collider does nothing? Only where people don't read science.
When science fiction is rationalization for big dollar science, then we have the ISS - which costs $billions - and produces nothing - no science. Did we not yet learn the lesson of science fiction to justify junk science?
When less money is spent, because it is what anti-junk scientists want, then we would have the super collider. But this assumes one has enough knowledge of science and the world to see the difference. A man scratching for water on the moon would be just another ISS or a liberation of people who don't want to be liberated. It does not advance mankind and does not even promise a single major breakthrough. Scratching for water on the moon is not even proposed for a single scientific reason. What is left? Junk science? Romance? Wild speculation? None of these justify a man on the moon - yet.
Putting a human on the moon's southern pole is advocated only for romantic reasons - the irrational exuberance that created our ISS and Iraq messes. A super collider is a critical tool so important to advance mankind and to advance many of America's money making industries. Beggars on the moon is how politicians get more bribes in exchange for junk science hype - and no science. And yet some cannot see the difference between nonsense (ISS or drilling for moon water) verses where science is really moving. Advocating well drillers on the moon so obviously does nothing to advance mankind - but is so romantic to science fiction advocates.