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Originally posted by Whit
I've known lots of people that kept going because of their responsibilties to others, when they had no other reason. Responsibility can work to prevent sucide. However, if you can kill yourself when you've got a kid you either don't realize the effects the sucide will have on the kid, (which means you don't recognize your responsibility) or you don't care. (which means you don't accept your responsibility)
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I don't think these are the only two explanations. They certainly <b>can</b> be an accurate description, but they doesn't mean that they are in all cases. Depression affects people in different ways, and it has differing levels of severity. For Cobain specifically, there's not really much I can argue. I don't agree that he deserved to die, but he certainly acted irresponsibly. He wouldn't win Dad of the Year. That's not what I'm debating, so we can leave him out of it. You mentioned before that "Any dickhead that's so selfish that they think they have the right to kill themselves after they are responsible for a kid needs to die." I think this is grossly off base. First of all, I think we all have the right to end our lives. I don't necessarily think it's a good one, but who are you or I to tell someone what they can and cannot do with themselves?
Secondly, it's not necessarily selfish. This is a very serious oversimplification of the reasons behind suicide. It's not always "Life sucks and I'm tired of it, so I'm going to make the pain go away." Many times, people feel that they are doing others a favor by removing a burden. They feel that they are such fuckups that the world, and more specifically their loved ones, would be better off without them. Now, generally speaking, that's not a very reasoned line of thought, but people actually believe it. Like I said, depression affects people in various ways, sometimes including an ability to think rationally.
Third, saying someone needs to die because they "think" something is kinda Big Brother-ish, don't you think? Regardless of whether or not you agree with an opinion, no one needs to die for having it.
No offense Whit, 'cause I generally like you, but this is obviously a very emotionally charged subject for you. If you were looking at it rationally, surely you'd agree that no one "needs to die" for thinking something. You've seen a lot of pain caused by suicide and you (rightly) feel that it's wrong. Well, attitudes like yours aren't saving lives. The singled out comment is ridiculous and incorrect, and I've demonstrated as such. Use your brain instead of your heart.