[jaguar]

Now. Let's get some facts straight. Abortion, in late-term, is ending life. No, the baby hasn't been born yet. But where do you draw that line? Is it after the baby has passed through the vagina? After the umbilical cord is cut? Is it okay to bring the child out and crush its head while it's still connected to the umbilical cord? Is that okay? Is it okay to cut open the head of a 5-month old fetus and drain its brain from its skull? If its okay 4 months before it's actually "born", then why isn't it okay 4 months after it's born?

Oh what a fucking crock of shit. Reminds me of some text I read of some nutters anti-abortion site. Ohh lets put it all in reallyreally messy words to put people off the idea because I want to enforce my moral code on other people. Fantastic.

3rd trimester abortions are very, very rare. I'd draw the line what the fetus is conscious, or develops one, estimated around the end of second term - oh look at that - the same point at which its unadvisable to have an abortion in the first place. Sure some people abuse it but it's not common. However callously you word it, it is still a traumatic experience for the girl in question.

Lot of anti-death penalty people here on the Cellar. Where do you draw the line? Most anti-death penalty persons I know also are pro-choice. Does no one else see the silliness here? Most pro-death penalty people I know are pro-life. Am I the only one that doesn't miss the self-contradiction?

Yes I' mseeing alot of sillyness here -mostly around the idea that all abortions happen to fully conscious humans not fetuses.

Jaguar talks about how he's pro-choice and then bitches and moans about innocents dying in Hiroshima, Nagasaki and Afghanistan. He's not alone - a lot of people do this, and I'm not trying to single him out (but he's so fucking PROLIFIC, he's posted his opinion on every day thing under the sun). Well, what about the unborn babies that are killed. What did they ever do? There really are third-trimester abortions. That wasn't just made up. I have seen the pictures. Where do we draw the line? It isn't that black and white.

same deal. Ohh other people SPEAKING their mind who DO NOT AGREE WITH YOU. How dare they....

Umm no. I assume like the rest of these schemes its designed to put more money in the coffers by charging extra for a special plate.

Griff: I read on one of the posts above that it was - pardon me.

Don't expect me to stand idley by while you abort, execute, or bomb on my dime.

Not much of a defense (for the purpose of this imagine I live in the US and pay more tax than I do atm) On the same basis I’d say stop dropping bombs on Afghanistan, funding faith based charities etc, some of your tax money will always be used to things we don't like - get over it, its nessacery for government to function.

Don't teach about sex in schools. Kids are less promiscuous when they are ignorant. Right.

I find both bits of this hilarious - firstly the sheer stupidity of the people that have actually used this argument and the obscenely religious basis for it. Someone please inform me WHY people shouldn’t go round, having sex with people they like OHMYGOD out of wedlock for OHMYGOD fun?? Non-religious reasons only please.

Katkeeper - you go girl! =) nail on the head =)

What bothers me about these license plates isn't even the message. It's the God-awful -designs-. I can't think of a state whose "special cause" license plates don't look as though they were designed by a committee of half-wits whose artistic sensibilities begin and end with the Howard Johnson School of Hotel Decorating. Haven't these people heard of -artists-?

Haven’t you heard? Artists are heathen Satanists

I would personally like to thank these horrible nutjobs for making their side look like a bunch of lunatics.

They've been doing a very good job already - anyone that tries to argue that rape victims don't have the right to abortion get an automatic "I’m a callous, blind, brain-dead moron with an extremely weak grip on reality" red card.

Since I’ve probably not offended someone ill go a little further a post a few quotes from people who generally draw more respect than me.

As we retreat from religion, our ancient opiate, there are bound to be withdrawal symptoms. - Salman Rushdie.

History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government." T. Jefferson

Sit peacefully in a church and think of church history: witchburning
perhaps, or child abuse, genocide, the amassing of disgusting wealth,
the repression of women, inquisitions, castrating child choir singers,
the denial of Santa Claus and the support of fascists in power.
- Kaz Cooke, The Little Book of Stress