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Old 11-24-2001, 01:14 PM   #19
dave
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Disclaimer: If I were President, I would work to help lower the number of abortions. I would not work for legislation to prohibit it, however. So, basically, I like the pro-life ideal, but it doesn't work in the real world, so I'm willing to concede defeat and work for a better solution.

Now. Let's get some facts straight. Abortion, in late-term, is ending life. No, the baby hasn't been born yet. But where do you draw that line? Is it after the baby has passed through the vagina? After the umbilical cord is cut? Is it okay to bring the child out and crush its head while it's still connected to the umbilical cord? Is that okay? Is it okay to cut open the head of a 5-month old fetus and drain its brain from its skull? If it's okay 4 months before it's actually "born", then why isn't it okay 4 months after it's born?

That fetus would grow up to be a human being. Why is it okay to kill it right before it is born but not when it's 20 years old? What's the difference? We all cringed when Iman Hiju, the 4 month old baby, was killed by Israeli shell fire. We'd all find it undeniably tragic if a pregnant woman was run over by a bus while walking her doggie. We would mourn for the woman as well as the unborn child. But if the mother wants to kill it, it's okay?

Problem is, I actually have known girls that used abortion as a birth control method. One didn't like the inconvenience of condoms, so she just went without. She would stay pregnant until she started gaining weight (being pregnant is great birth control!), and then she'd get an abortion and start it all again. Is this okay?

Where do we draw the line? Obviously it's unacceptable for some militant to kill an abortion doctor. Just as it's unacceptable for an abortion doctor to kill a... wait, that's okay, right?

Lot of anti-death penalty people here on the Cellar. Where do you draw the line? Most anti-death penalty persons I know also are pro-choice. Does no one else see the silliness here? Most pro-death penalty people I know are pro-life. Am I the only one that doesn't miss the self-contradiction?

Was it okay for Timothy McVeigh to be put to death? Most people would agree that if anyone deserved it, he did. Well, what makes the executioner any better then? He pushed a button that killed a human being. Should he be put to death as well? Where do we draw that line? If abortion is okay, then why isn't state-sanctioned killing?

Jaguar talks about how he's pro-choice and then bitches and moans about innocents dying in Hiroshima, Nagasaki and Afghanistan. He's not alone - a lot of people do this, and I'm not trying to single him out (but he's so fucking PROLIFIC, he's posted his opinion on every day thing under the sun). Well, what about the unborn babies that are killed. What did they ever do? There really are third-trimester abortions. That wasn't just made up. I have seen the pictures. Where do we draw the line? It isn't that black and white.

And after saying all that... I do strongly support after-pregnancy abortive measures in the cases of incest and rape. Maybe that's because my sister is a rape victim (when she was 7, no less). I don't know. But I can't imagine forcing a rape victim to foster a child that was the product of what is probably the worst experience in their life. Asking one to do that is inhuman. That's probably why I, a Republican, supported the Democratic Virginia gubernatorial candidate instead of the Republican - he was fiercely pro-life, even in cases of rape and incest. Well, you can't draw that line there. It isn't that black and white.
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