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Originally Posted by glatt
But this Saturn which is probably made in Germany by Opel was not considered for the list. Why even mention the list if the Astra wasn't considered? ...
The steering is not relevant either.
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The list says everything about Saturns - and Astra. Only reason for quality or perverted products: 85% of all problems are directly traceable to top management. When did Saturn get all management replaced four and more years ago?
Saturn is probably made in America even if the engine is an Opel design. For example, Ford's early 1970 Capri was one of the best driving cars. The American version of that car with the same engine was called Pinto. Even the same engine (2.3 liter with same Holley 5210C) performed completely different. "Opel" means, "It has potential." Nothing more.
That driver/reviewer likes steering that is not speed sensitive? Says a lot about the reviewer's integrity. Many also loved how Oldsmobiles and Pontiacs handled - even though those cars wandered all over the road. If its not speed sensitive (a mid-1980 technology), then does he really does not know how it handles. So where does he discuss a car that does handle good - such as the Ford Focus? Does he know anything about the product - or just hype "More Power".
Speed sensitive means the steering wheel (and driver) is engaged with the road - information that can even save your life (and other advantages).
70 Hp per liter is a requirement for all cars. You have assumed binary logic in a world that is ternary. If the car has a 70 Hp per liter engine and no brakes, is it still acceptable? 70 Hp per liter does not say it is good. But a car without 70 Hp per liter is bad - better sent from the factory to the junk yard.
Most GM products do not have a 70 Hp per liter engine. 70 Hp per liter says the Astra is at least one step above shit.
Don't waste time with Saturn only because someone feels it is good and then recommends it. Saturn has a poor reputation when we ignore popular myths and deal only with facts. Saturn had to concede and sell out to GM a decade ago just to survive. All those lists only confirm that reality.
Good reasons why companies such as Honda and Toyota have 70 Hp per liter engines in all cars for well over a decade. And why their dealers don't get screwed for warranty work. And why the service bulletins for those cars are so few. 85% of all problems are directly traceable to top management. That Astra is a product of Rick Wagoner.
Why did GM do a campaign to bankrupt the LA Times? LA Times did a story that actually told the truth about GM products in April 2005. GM cannot let you know the truth. Did something change in only 3 years? Why is GM again screwing dealers with warranty costs? Too many product failures. Don't even waste time with Saturn.
Listed by others and me are numerous responsible manufacturers. Those many lists say it best. Reliable brands include Scion, Acura, Honda, Toyota, Lexus, Infinity, Subaru, Hyundai, Kia, Lincoln, Mazda, etc. Even Ford (because Jacque Nasser was removed only recently - 8 years ago) has move back up to average reliability.
Even the Ford Focus is a superior consideration. It was never about foreign verses domestic products. It was always about who designed and built the car - bean counters or car guys. Free market principles prevail.