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wwarner11 · 11-22-2001, 08:57 AM

TW, there are a few things in your last post that I feel I must respond to. First of all I would say that I think what you are advocating with a NID is very commendable but alas what you desire will not fly. Let me explain, you say a NID system does not have to be mandatory. It has been my experience that once something is put into the hands of congress the product that entered the congress exits the very same congress in such a way that you will not recognize it. You just have to review some well intentioned legislation to see what I mean. I am not saying the system is evil or corrupt, but deals will be made for what ever reason, compromises will occur, and special interest will have their say in this process. This is our system of government , it may not be perfect but no one has come up with a better system then what we now enjoy.Your concern and I know you have good intentions with this matter , is identity thief. My first question is how many people lost their identity ? We have I think 280 million people in this country (I think) and let us assume 1 million had their id stolen last year, I fell I am high on that number , but if 1 million people did loose their identity last year we are talking about 1/2% of the people of this country. I do not feel that would justify a NID system. Furthermore laws are there to protect us with regards to identity thief, and where there are deficiencies in the law that area will be corrected. You wrote "There can be no disagreement here. A need for a National ID system is obvious. Not one post proves otherwise. I only read "fear of government" The fear of government is very real. Example the IRS is used as a political weapon, in fact any agency of government is used that way. Cameras at traffic lights. This was a story in Drudge today

LIGHTING UP AT HOME: MARYLAND COUNTY PASSES MEASURE ORDERING FINES IF SMOKE OFFENDS NEIGHBORS...These are just a few reasons to fear government.you have not demonstrated to me why we need a NID other then identity thief. Remember once that is in place the Feds are in total control, they can restrict our travel, and know your location at all times. You say to the naysayer that you demand a solution. My solution is very simple no NID , remember once in place you are then in possession of a domestic passport. Sometimes when I see how this government is growing and becoming insensitive to the needs of its people I then say to myself maybe George 111 was not such a bad person after all.

11-22-2001, 08:57 AM	#30
wwarner11 Complex Simpleton Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: NJ Posts: 18	TW, there are a few things in your last post that I feel I must respond to. First of all I would say that I think what you are advocating with a NID is very commendable but alas what you desire will not fly. Let me explain, you say a NID system does not have to be mandatory. It has been my experience that once something is put into the hands of congress the product that entered the congress exits the very same congress in such a way that you will not recognize it. You just have to review some well intentioned legislation to see what I mean. I am not saying the system is evil or corrupt, but deals will be made for what ever reason, compromises will occur, and special interest will have their say in this process. This is our system of government , it may not be perfect but no one has come up with a better system then what we now enjoy.Your concern and I know you have good intentions with this matter , is identity thief. My first question is how many people lost their identity ? We have I think 280 million people in this country (I think) and let us assume 1 million had their id stolen last year, I fell I am high on that number , but if 1 million people did loose their identity last year we are talking about 1/2% of the people of this country. I do not feel that would justify a NID system. Furthermore laws are there to protect us with regards to identity thief, and where there are deficiencies in the law that area will be corrected. You wrote "There can be no disagreement here. A need for a National ID system is obvious. Not one post proves otherwise. I only read "fear of government" The fear of government is very real. Example the IRS is used as a political weapon, in fact any agency of government is used that way. Cameras at traffic lights. This was a story in Drudge today LIGHTING UP AT HOME: MARYLAND COUNTY PASSES MEASURE ORDERING FINES IF SMOKE OFFENDS NEIGHBORS...These are just a few reasons to fear government.you have not demonstrated to me why we need a NID other then identity thief. Remember once that is in place the Feds are in total control, they can restrict our travel, and know your location at all times. You say to the naysayer that you demand a solution. My solution is very simple no NID , remember once in place you are then in possession of a domestic passport. Sometimes when I see how this government is growing and becoming insensitive to the needs of its people I then say to myself maybe George 111 was not such a bad person after all.