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tw · 11-14-2001, 11:57 PM

The question (not being publically discussed and having been previously discussed in The Cellar Mark IV - is this Mark IV?) is how do YOU prove who you are. The National ID (and GPS in phones) should be about providing YOU with services - not to provide the Ashcrofts with more power. Hell, he can almost claim any civilian felony as a terroist act and suspend your civil rights now - because he thinks we are in a war which was never declared. Ashcroft does not need any more power.

With more electronics, with better home publishing on ink jet printer, etc, personal identity protection is and will become even moreso - essential. A national ID system must be established so that you can prove who you are - and so that others cannot prove they are you.

Take for example, the Madri Gras riot on South Street. Most criminals cannot be prosecuted because most claimed they were someone else using counterfeit ID. Imagine a bench warrant for your name - because someone else had counterfeited an ID using your identity. Quite easy and occuring more often every year - again because you have no way to prove you are you. It would destroy your credit ratings, force you to hire a lawyer (big bucks), and maybe even some jail time while they sort your out.

Must you carry a license to leave home? Of course. It is illegal to drive without a license. You don't have to carry a National ID card. If you don't want to prove who you are, then carry nothing. You should have that choice. However if the right wing, 'everyone is evil except us' have their way, then the National ID will be required by the "Office of Homeland Security" (is that expression from the book 1984?).

National ID is not something that all are required to 'wear'. It should be something that you can have for your own protection. BTW, same with GPS in cell phones. You want to turn it off? Fine. That would be your priviledge since it is only provided to serve you. If you dial 911, then it automatically turns GPS on - because 911 and GPS is there to serve you. You don't want the GPS on - then don't dial 911.

11-14-2001, 11:57 PM	#3
tw Read? I only know how to write. Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 11,933	Re: A National ID Card The question (not being publically discussed and having been previously discussed in The Cellar Mark IV - is this Mark IV?) is how do YOU prove who you are. The National ID (and GPS in phones) should be about providing YOU with services - not to provide the Ashcrofts with more power. Hell, he can almost claim any civilian felony as a terroist act and suspend your civil rights now - because he thinks we are in a war which was never declared. Ashcroft does not need any more power. With more electronics, with better home publishing on ink jet printer, etc, personal identity protection is and will become even moreso - essential. A national ID system must be established so that you can prove who you are - and so that others cannot prove they are you. Take for example, the Madri Gras riot on South Street. Most criminals cannot be prosecuted because most claimed they were someone else using counterfeit ID. Imagine a bench warrant for your name - because someone else had counterfeited an ID using your identity. Quite easy and occuring more often every year - again because you have no way to prove you are you. It would destroy your credit ratings, force you to hire a lawyer (big bucks), and maybe even some jail time while they sort your out. Must you carry a license to leave home? Of course. It is illegal to drive without a license. You don't have to carry a National ID card. If you don't want to prove who you are, then carry nothing. You should have that choice. However if the right wing, 'everyone is evil except us' have their way, then the National ID will be required by the "Office of Homeland Security" (is that expression from the book 1984?). National ID is not something that all are required to 'wear'. It should be something that you can have for your own protection. BTW, same with GPS in cell phones. You want to turn it off? Fine. That would be your priviledge since it is only provided to serve you. If you dial 911, then it automatically turns GPS on - because 911 and GPS is there to serve you. You don't want the GPS on - then don't dial 911.